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  • C Christian Graus

    Do I need to say more ? Has ANYONE had a positive experience with an electrician or a plumber ? I wish my wife would let me just go into the roof and fix the damn fan myself. Three wires, three colors, how hard can it be ?

    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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    Tom Deketelaere
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    Nope. I started my renovations on my apartment about 7 months ago with the intention of doing everything myself, because I had seen so called renovations done by professionals and frankly my godson of 2 years old could do a better job. And that's not even talking about the prices. I rewired and put pipes in the apartment (4 rooms) for everything and it cost me close to nothing. Had I hired someone I'm sure my entire budget for the renovation would have been spend already. Of course I have to hire a electrician to come and check everything and do the actual hooking up to the net otherwise I'll get in trouble with the government but that only takes about an hour to do so ... The renovations probably are taking longer than when I hired someone but at least I know it's been done the right way.

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    • C Christian Graus

      What was wrong with the old one ? We got a new one and they did not glue it down, so it rocks when you sit down on it.

      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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      Maurizio Pisano
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      Christian Graus wrote:

      We got a new one and they did not glue it down, so it rocks when you sit down on it.

      I've had the same issue. The fix is simple; buy a tube of Araldite, mix it up and put some under the dunny and on the floor beneath where possible and let it set. It won't budge any more unless you do ungodly things on it ;P

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      • C Christian Graus

        Do I need to say more ? Has ANYONE had a positive experience with an electrician or a plumber ? I wish my wife would let me just go into the roof and fix the damn fan myself. Three wires, three colors, how hard can it be ?

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        mav northwind
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        Christian, we don't want to see your name instead of Pancrazio Juvenales[^].

        Regards, mav -- Black holes are the places where God divided by 0...

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        • C Christian Graus

          Do I need to say more ? Has ANYONE had a positive experience with an electrician or a plumber ? I wish my wife would let me just go into the roof and fix the damn fan myself. Three wires, three colors, how hard can it be ?

          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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          JHizzle
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          Christian Graus wrote:

          Three wires, three colors, how hard can it be ?

          Depends if it's attached the ring circuit and even then you sometimes get a surprise. I changed the light in our bathroom, got up there expecting 6....found it was wired into 9 o.O

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          • C Christian Graus

            Do I need to say more ? Has ANYONE had a positive experience with an electrician or a plumber ? I wish my wife would let me just go into the roof and fix the damn fan myself. Three wires, three colors, how hard can it be ?

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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            Simon_Whale
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            could you just start a blog titled "What doesn't suck according to Christian Graus", surely that would be easier and save you time :laugh:

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            • C Christian Graus

              I can totally do it, but Donna is worried about the insurance if there's a fire.

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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              RichardM1
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              You should be able to do the work yourself. Get a permit and have the inspector come out when you are done. If you do that, the insurance can't complain. I did that in Maryland, USA. You have to know the National Electric Codes well enough to take a test. I thought I would go in and fail it once to figure out what they were looking for, then study and take it for real. Turns out, if you pull key words from the question and look them up in the index, you can kill the test in no time. Only one I got wrong was one where I did the calculations, but if you turn the page there is a table that gives you a different answer from the formula. They wanted the table. Finished in a half an hour and the guy asked if I had given up when I turned it in. He said some guys who become electricians take it many times before they pass. Then he talked about a guy who picked up leftover bits of power cable and used them to rewire his house, with a set of connectors buried in the wall every couple of feet. Made me decide to do my own work from there on out. I understand that the electric codes are different there, since they don't allow using guns to cut cable to length, but I think the lesson still holds. ;P

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              • C Christian Graus

                So you're happy and the lemon tree is sad ?

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                bryce
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                yes but the motorbike still works ;) B

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                • C Christian Graus

                  Meh. The guy I used to make chocolate with was an electrician and he'd check if a wire was live by touching it.

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                  Lost User
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                  Christian Graus wrote:

                  The guy I used to make chocolate with was an electrician and he'd check if a wire was live by touching it.

                  Sometimes the colors don't match, and touching the wrong wire can make a lasting impression. Like lighting a smoke when someone smells gas; fun, but somewhat irresponsible :-\

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                  • C Christian Graus

                    Do I need to say more ? Has ANYONE had a positive experience with an electrician or a plumber ? I wish my wife would let me just go into the roof and fix the damn fan myself. Three wires, three colors, how hard can it be ?

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                    ragnaroknrol
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                    Considering the universe's ability to single you out and attempt to hose you in some manner, you really have no good options here. You can either suffer through having a horrible electrician/plumber experience, or get electrocuted/drowned in a comical and noteworthy manner, at the worst possible time, while being close enough to a computer to let us know.

                    If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      Three wires, three colors, how hard can it be ?

                      Depends if it's attached the ring circuit and even then you sometimes get a surprise. I changed the light in our bathroom, got up there expecting 6....found it was wired into 9 o.O

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                      DaveyM69
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                      9 is standard - two core and earth x 3 = ... 1. Loop L In 2. Loop N In 3. E In ------------- 4. Loop L Out 5. Loop N Out 6. E Out ------------- 7. L to switch 8. Switched L 9. Switch E A. Connect 1,4 and 7 together. B. Connect 2 and 5 together C. Connect 3, 6 and 9 together. Connect the lights L to 8 Connect the light's N to B Connect the light's E to C The only confusion can come with 7 and 8 as most sparkies use standard cable for this wire so the Switched L is often the same colour as the Ns. If doing this, it should be clearly marked with suitable colour tape, but often is isn't! :thumbsup:

                      Dave

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                        9 is standard - two core and earth x 3 = ... 1. Loop L In 2. Loop N In 3. E In ------------- 4. Loop L Out 5. Loop N Out 6. E Out ------------- 7. L to switch 8. Switched L 9. Switch E A. Connect 1,4 and 7 together. B. Connect 2 and 5 together C. Connect 3, 6 and 9 together. Connect the lights L to 8 Connect the light's N to B Connect the light's E to C The only confusion can come with 7 and 8 as most sparkies use standard cable for this wire so the Switched L is often the same colour as the Ns. If doing this, it should be clearly marked with suitable colour tape, but often is isn't! :thumbsup:

                        Dave

                        If this helped, please vote & accept answer!

                        Binging is like googling, it just feels dirtier. (Pete O'Hanlon)
                        BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)

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                        JHizzle
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                        DaveyM69 wrote:

                        it should be clearly marked with suitable colour tape, but often is isn't!

                        Yeah no kidding, I had to manually tape code mine as they weren't labelled and they were all white. Honestly the electrics in this house really irritate me.

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