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  • C Chris Maunder

    Microsoft, If you're going to make an installation that requires a reboot, then popping up a "Do you want to restart" dialog at the end of the install, giving that dialog focus, then giving the "OK, restart" button focus is a really dumb idea. We may be typing and not watching the screen. I thought that kind of dumb went out of fashion a while back.

    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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    Christian Graus
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    I've written long emails and lost them b/c Weven gets sick of waiting and just restarts itself.

    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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    • C Chris Maunder

      Microsoft, If you're going to make an installation that requires a reboot, then popping up a "Do you want to restart" dialog at the end of the install, giving that dialog focus, then giving the "OK, restart" button focus is a really dumb idea. We may be typing and not watching the screen. I thought that kind of dumb went out of fashion a while back.

      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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      Ravi Bhavnani
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      That's a harbinger of things to come.  Wait till you try to use the debugger[^] on a large solution (60+ projects).  :( /ravi

      My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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      • C Christian Graus

        I've written long emails and lost them b/c Weven gets sick of waiting and just restarts itself.

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        Chris Losinger
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        i've come to realize that computers, rather than being devices for my use, are primary places where software can live, breed, grow and maintain itself. it seems like every time i turn one of my computers on, some program is trying to update itself, or wants to tell me about something, or wants to reboot because it needs to change something about its habitat. the computer belongs to the software now - i just get to harvest some of its fruits now and then.

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        • C Chris Maunder

          Microsoft, If you're going to make an installation that requires a reboot, then popping up a "Do you want to restart" dialog at the end of the install, giving that dialog focus, then giving the "OK, restart" button focus is a really dumb idea. We may be typing and not watching the screen. I thought that kind of dumb went out of fashion a while back.

          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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          Marc Clifton
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          Chris Maunder wrote:

          I thought that kind of dumb went out of fashion a while back.

          Dumb never goes out of fashion, it merely finds a new designer. ;) Marc

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          • C Chris Maunder

            Microsoft, If you're going to make an installation that requires a reboot, then popping up a "Do you want to restart" dialog at the end of the install, giving that dialog focus, then giving the "OK, restart" button focus is a really dumb idea. We may be typing and not watching the screen. I thought that kind of dumb went out of fashion a while back.

            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            Jeremy Falcon
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            Chris Maunder wrote:

            I thought that kind of dumb went out of fashion a while back.

            It's bell bottoms, it goes in and out of fashion every so often.

            Jeremy Falcon

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            • M Marc Clifton

              Chris Maunder wrote:

              I thought that kind of dumb went out of fashion a while back.

              Dumb never goes out of fashion, it merely finds a new designer. ;) Marc

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              Gary R Wheeler
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              Dumb never goes out of fashion, it merely finds requires a new designer to write the code.

              Software Zen: delete this;
              Fold With Us![^]

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              • C Chris Maunder

                Microsoft, If you're going to make an installation that requires a reboot, then popping up a "Do you want to restart" dialog at the end of the install, giving that dialog focus, then giving the "OK, restart" button focus is a really dumb idea. We may be typing and not watching the screen. I thought that kind of dumb went out of fashion a while back.

                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                Khaniya
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                what about other running application? I guess it should be reason.

                Life's Like a mirror. Smile at it & it smiles back at you.- P Pilgrim So Smile Please

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  Microsoft, If you're going to make an installation that requires a reboot, then popping up a "Do you want to restart" dialog at the end of the install, giving that dialog focus, then giving the "OK, restart" button focus is a really dumb idea. We may be typing and not watching the screen. I thought that kind of dumb went out of fashion a while back.

                  cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                  Michael Dunn
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                  Chris Maunder wrote:

                  I thought that kind of dumb went out of fashion a while back.

                  We're talking about Visual Studio here... its dumbness can only increase, just like entropy in the universe.

                  --Mike-- Dunder-Mifflin, this is Pam

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                  • R Ravi Bhavnani

                    That's a harbinger of things to come.  Wait till you try to use the debugger[^] on a large solution (60+ projects).  :( /ravi

                    My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                    Camilo Sanchez
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                    Oh yes, I've had these, I have at work a solution with 40 projects and every day I need to close VS at least once because of System.OutOfMemoryException thrown out when building The other day I was debugging something with ten threads, and I pressed F10 and the darn thing acted like I pressed F11 and stepped into a method call from a different thread that I wasn't debugging Besides it wasn't even half responsive while debugging

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                    • C Camilo Sanchez

                      Oh yes, I've had these, I have at work a solution with 40 projects and every day I need to close VS at least once because of System.OutOfMemoryException thrown out when building The other day I was debugging something with ten threads, and I pressed F10 and the darn thing acted like I pressed F11 and stepped into a method call from a different thread that I wasn't debugging Besides it wasn't even half responsive while debugging

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                      Ravi Bhavnani
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                      Camilo Sánchez Herrera wrote:

                      need to close VS at least once because of System.OutOfMemoryException thrown out when building

                      Yes, this happens to me regularly.

                      Camilo Sánchez Herrera wrote:

                      The other day I was debugging something with ten threads,

                      I think that's my problem (or rather VS' problem).  The random stepping problem seems to occur when I'm running a VS test project.  Further, the debugger seems to disconnect from the thread if I'm paused at a breakpoint for more than a certain amount of time. Please vote for this[^] bug report in the hope that MS will look into it.  Thanks! /ravi

                      My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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