MSNBC finds Rand Paul's weak spot
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Distind wrote:
One of the biggest holes in libertarian thinking, not realizing or acknowledging that some people are total assholes and will gladly stomp on other people's rights
You don't have a right to walk into a business and demand service.
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A black person doesn't want to walk into a racist restaurant anyways, what kind of service would he get? A black person would rather go to his jazz joint with his peers, or a non racist restaurant. The government doesn't have the right to tell anyone how to run their business.
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And you have the right to deny someone service based on nothing but your own whim? A legitimate reason, sure, you're brown is not a legitimate reason. You have the right to be an idiot, not the right to inflict your idiocy on others.
Distind wrote:
And you have the right to deny someone service based on nothing but your own whim?
Yes, I could close down shop and only serve two people of my choosing. I could kick everybody out if I want (so as long as they got the goods and serviced that they paid for). Here is an example, let's say I'm running a computer repair service down in my basement, and I decided to not fix a guys computer because the computer stunk or he was a jackass or he just plain annoys the hell out of me, or for any other reason that I can think of. I have that right.
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And about here is where I wonder if you've ever actually met a black person or if you operate solely off stereotypes.
Yes I have, I've worked with them. Perhaps instead of a jazz joint I should have said a The Pimpin' Club that plays Lil' Wayne.
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Yes I have, I've worked with them. Perhaps instead of a jazz joint I should have said a The Pimpin' Club that plays Lil' Wayne.
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Distind wrote:
And you have the right to deny someone service based on nothing but your own whim?
Yes, I could close down shop and only serve two people of my choosing. I could kick everybody out if I want (so as long as they got the goods and serviced that they paid for). Here is an example, let's say I'm running a computer repair service down in my basement, and I decided to not fix a guys computer because the computer stunk or he was a jackass or he just plain annoys the hell out of me, or for any other reason that I can think of. I have that right.
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Computer repair, why not. Not the problem case, but still stupid. Let's say you're the only pharmacy in the area, there's someone who may well wind up dead before reaching the next one but they fit your arbitrary race delimitation on who you will serve. Should I file the negligent homicide charges now, or can you see where allowing business to discriminate can get problematic?
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Computer repair, why not. Not the problem case, but still stupid. Let's say you're the only pharmacy in the area, there's someone who may well wind up dead before reaching the next one but they fit your arbitrary race delimitation on who you will serve. Should I file the negligent homicide charges now, or can you see where allowing business to discriminate can get problematic?
Distind wrote:
Should I file the negligent homicide charges now
Perhaps, but you can't (or shouldn't) be allowed to file some racism charge.
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Trafficing in stereotypes is what he does.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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I saw this yesterday and was going to say something but it doesn't really matter. Libertarian points of view make angels out of man and we all know that isn't true. Supposedly there is a difference between government employed citizens and private sector employed citizens when it comes to who is allowed to trounce rights or at least create a false sense of outrage by the citizenry. It's not okay for government, but its okay for companies to do it. So why is it okay for a company to discriminate and not the government? Companies aren't people. A friend of mine would routinely have a political donation subtracted from his paycheck for the company to send to it's Washington b@tch. As near as I can tell not illegal. The company would then give them the same amount as a bonus the next paycheck for some BS reason. I've worked for a company in the financial services sector who wanted to put a message to all their customers on whether or not they liked their service and to have it send a message to their congressmen and senators. Again not illegal, but certainly unethical. I've never lived in Kentucky before so I have no idea what kind of tolerance for this sort of thing is possible, but for people whose life is just fine they're not going to care.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
wolfbinary wrote:
Supposedly there is a difference between government employed citizens and private sector employed citizens when it comes to who is allowed to trounce rights or at least create a false sense of outrage by the citizenry. It's not okay for government, but its okay for companies to do it. So why is it okay for a company to discriminate and not the government?
The differences? The government compels you to pay them so they have to provide the required services. The Constitution compels how gov can act, but generally not individuals. If I am a sole proprietor, I am the company. It is mine, the building is mine, the goods are mine. Are you saying that I don't have the right to control who I let on my property?
wolfbinary wrote:
Companies aren't people.
You got that right. Companies do not have freedom of political speech. Each of the owners and employees do.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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It at least brings his ignorant stereotypes up to date tho
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