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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Religion is a necessity, those without religion we are incomplete.
As someone who's never paid attention to much of anything for much more than a month(with two exceptions) I have to say you're full of it. I'll admit, at one point I thought I might be missing out on something, so I looked into the lot of those religions people follow, and some no one does anymore, all I found were a bunch of hokey old myths and the odd decent idea I hadn't bothered to consider. Nothing worth worshiping by any means. Since reaching that I've actually been quite content, far more than when I was mewling along with something I didn't believe just to belong. I have to say, I think humanity may be out growing religion. At this point we've defeated most of the obstacle which religion was useful in causing us to avoid, and now it's simply holding us back with the weight of tradition and familiarity. I've found common decency to be far more effective than spirituality.
I've found better morality in atheists than the spiritual.
Distind wrote:
I have to say, I think humanity may be out growing religion. At this point we've defeated most of the obstacle which religion was useful in causing us to avoid, and now it's simply holding us back with the weight of tradition and familiarity. I've found common decency to be far more effective than spirituality.
I hope so, because I'm getting tired of the stupid and faith based decisions being made on my behalf. I've been to several churches of varying types of Christianity and I have to say they were all there to sell guilt except for the last one I went to. They sold comedy otherwise known as holly rollers, speaking in tongues, faith healers, and snake handlers. To this day I still haven't laughed harder than watching those fools. I wasn't the only one laughing. A friend of mine who went with me to our mutual friends church went too.
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clickety[^] As a planet we really have a long way to go. I can't imagine any sufficiently advanced race from another planet would be religious. Stupid stuff like this would get in the way of getting here. Any society that spends this much time worrying about things this vapid don't generally go far. This isn't the first article, but come on. I'm not picking on Islam either. The Catholic church needs to get with it too, especially with crap like the pedophile priests, and excommunicating people who disagree with them. end rant
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One can be religious without any influence from others or religious texts. Words cannot explain what its like, it is a channel of consciousness that is required if you ever want to be fulfilled. Money, material wealth, power, sex, drugs, and all that will never fulfill you. The only thing religions are holding us back from is total hell on earth. I think one day religion is adequately snuffed, we will live in a bondage not yet ever experienced or dreamed of. High tech scientific bondage where humans are mere resources to be exploited, manipulated, bred, and disposed of by ruthless contolfreaks. You see they have a strong belief in Darwinism. They see themselves as the smartest and strongest, and if they can get something out of somebody in any way, regardless if it hurts that person or other people, then so be it. They feel it's the way it is, and that they are beyond good and evil.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Money, material wealth, power, sex, drugs, and all that will never fulfill you.
And if that's all you find in life without religion then there's an obvious reason you feel the need for it. I find creation and improvement of the software I work on to be quite fulfilling, if it was only about the money I'd have left ages ago. That'd be one of the exceptions in what has held my attention, to be able to take an idea, just about any idea, and be able to model it, run it through it's paces, and refine your model. That's quite a bit of interesting material, everything you can think of. But as for your religions holding back hell on earth, you're full of shit. Every time humanity has attempted to do something like that to itself, for religion or other reasons, blood was eventually paid back in blood. It's untenable, we're too brutal in relation to simply let something like that go as a species. Building a world on the backs of others will always come crumbling down on you(ask some of the brits on that note), at which point something new will arise. This fear of world domination that you have is based on a generation that's had nothing it really needs to afraid of, aside from possibly media hype. But humans, being human, will generally rise to the chance to knock someone's teeth out after it's been done to them. Not all, but some always will, and short of wiping out everyone there will always be some kind of power struggle, eventually resulting in the collapse or change of existing systems. Just as a last note, those who consider themselves smarter and stronger than others are almost always in for a rude awakening. I've enjoyed being it a few times, but I know better than to let it go to my head as there will always be something I can learn from others. Even what you describe isn't good vs evil, it's the same human conflict we've always had between the assholes, the other assholes, and every one else. Just plop some names in there and you can probably describe every conflict in human history.
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Religion is a necessity, those without religion we are incomplete. Religion is a vital core component of the human species. In order for society to develop, maintain and build integrity, and for humans to develop emotionally and technologically we must have spirituality. However, those hellbent on domination and control will exploit religion to where we will be forced into bondage and arrested development. Those who wish to destroy religion want the same thing, arrested development and bondage. The only development we will get without religion is the development of new technologies to entrap us into iron grip bondage. You can go on and on about pedophiles and stonings, but that is not spirituality, that is donation by corrupt individuals in positions of power. Religion is being attacked by the globalists, especially Christianity. In a world without religion the state is god, and evil cults thrive.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
arrested development
What a great show...man I wish it had made it more than 2 and a half seasons!
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Money, material wealth, power, sex, drugs, and all that will never fulfill you.
And if that's all you find in life without religion then there's an obvious reason you feel the need for it. I find creation and improvement of the software I work on to be quite fulfilling, if it was only about the money I'd have left ages ago. That'd be one of the exceptions in what has held my attention, to be able to take an idea, just about any idea, and be able to model it, run it through it's paces, and refine your model. That's quite a bit of interesting material, everything you can think of. But as for your religions holding back hell on earth, you're full of shit. Every time humanity has attempted to do something like that to itself, for religion or other reasons, blood was eventually paid back in blood. It's untenable, we're too brutal in relation to simply let something like that go as a species. Building a world on the backs of others will always come crumbling down on you(ask some of the brits on that note), at which point something new will arise. This fear of world domination that you have is based on a generation that's had nothing it really needs to afraid of, aside from possibly media hype. But humans, being human, will generally rise to the chance to knock someone's teeth out after it's been done to them. Not all, but some always will, and short of wiping out everyone there will always be some kind of power struggle, eventually resulting in the collapse or change of existing systems. Just as a last note, those who consider themselves smarter and stronger than others are almost always in for a rude awakening. I've enjoyed being it a few times, but I know better than to let it go to my head as there will always be something I can learn from others. Even what you describe isn't good vs evil, it's the same human conflict we've always had between the assholes, the other assholes, and every one else. Just plop some names in there and you can probably describe every conflict in human history.
Distind wrote:
find creation and improvement of the software I work on to be quite fulfilling
I do too but there is another level of fulfillment that you have not yet discovered.
Distind wrote:
Even what you describe isn't good vs evil
It is, that is what it boils down to. Those without spiritual awakening generally cannot differentiate the difference between good and evil, and that is the major flaw that enables society to degenerate into hell on earth, and enables those who are willing and capable to commit crimes against humanity.
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One can be religious without any influence from others or religious texts. Words cannot explain what its like, it is a channel of consciousness that is required if you ever want to be fulfilled. Money, material wealth, power, sex, drugs, and all that will never fulfill you. The only thing religions are holding us back from is total hell on earth. I think one day religion is adequately snuffed, we will live in a bondage not yet ever experienced or dreamed of. High tech scientific bondage where humans are mere resources to be exploited, manipulated, bred, and disposed of by ruthless contolfreaks. You see they have a strong belief in Darwinism. They see themselves as the smartest and strongest, and if they can get something out of somebody in any way, regardless if it hurts that person or other people, then so be it. They feel it's the way it is, and that they are beyond good and evil.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
High tech scientific bondage where humans are mere resources to be exploited, manipulated, bred, and disposed of by ruthless contolfreaks.
you do realize that The Matrix wasn't a documentary on what will happen right?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
High tech scientific bondage where humans are mere resources to be exploited, manipulated, bred, and disposed of by ruthless contolfreaks.
you do realize that The Matrix wasn't a documentary on what will happen right?
William Winner wrote:
you do realize that The Matrix wasn't a documentary on what will happen right?
Movies are irrelevant to the discussion. Slavery is a real problem, and without the ability to differentiate between good and evil slavery will remain a problem, and become an even bigger problem. We are headed towards a new type of slavery, a sophisticated system of slavery through a scientific financial dictatorship, pharmacological manipulation, psychological manipulation, and brute force. Technological and scientific advancements will allow a more thorough domination of the species.
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William Winner wrote:
you do realize that The Matrix wasn't a documentary on what will happen right?
Movies are irrelevant to the discussion. Slavery is a real problem, and without the ability to differentiate between good and evil slavery will remain a problem, and become an even bigger problem. We are headed towards a new type of slavery, a sophisticated system of slavery through a scientific financial dictatorship, pharmacological manipulation, psychological manipulation, and brute force. Technological and scientific advancements will allow a more thorough domination of the species.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
without the ability to differentiate between good and evil slavery
so there's good slavery? sorry, just couldn't not point out your dangling modifier.
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Distind wrote:
find creation and improvement of the software I work on to be quite fulfilling
I do too but there is another level of fulfillment that you have not yet discovered.
Distind wrote:
Even what you describe isn't good vs evil
It is, that is what it boils down to. Those without spiritual awakening generally cannot differentiate the difference between good and evil, and that is the major flaw that enables society to degenerate into hell on earth, and enables those who are willing and capable to commit crimes against humanity.
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You really are a piece of work... You know that?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Those without spiritual awakening generally cannot differentiate the difference between good and evil
The problem isn't differentiating between good and evil. The problem is oversimplifying and redefining them. There's no such thing as ABSOLUTE good or ABSOLUTE evil. Everything is a shade of gray, some darker and some lighter. Killing someone? Well, you might consider it evil, but what if someone is pointing an assault rifle at a bunch of innocents, and you put a bullet in his head? Is that still evil? Maybe it's the lesser of two evils, in which case you have to logically conclude that there are varying degrees of evil. Likewise, some "good" things are better than others, so there must also be varying degrees of good. Put them together, and there's your sliding scale. Now, you think only religious people can figure out where things lie on that scale? Personally, I think religions are the WORST at that particular task. The extremist Muslim sects are the popular targets these days, with their jihads on the western world. They think killing thousands of people is "good," kind of like the church thought the Crusaders were "good." To religion, good and evil are a matter of skin color and timing. How about atheists? Well, sure there are some immoral people among us, just like every other group, but being atheist doesn't make one incapable of recognizing "good" and "bad." It's called the golden rule. Do unto others, and all that... Don't need religion to follow that one. Just simple logic. So if you want to preach to us non-religious folks about morals, you better find a higher horse to sit on, because spirituality isn't going to win this argument.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
without the ability to differentiate between good and evil slavery
so there's good slavery? sorry, just couldn't not point out your dangling modifier.
William Winner wrote:
so there's good slavery?
Pathetic. You put words in my mouth because you have no valid counter argument. Here is my full quote "without the ability to differentiate between good and evil slavery will remain a problem, and become an even bigger problem."
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because they were not being as intolerant, mediaeval* minded, puritanical, extremist idiots as they could be! *Media evil is the correct spelling.
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Josh Gray wrote:
How about Australia and the US not allowing the money we give to Africa as aid to be spent on condoms?
Well they're not very filling or nutricious Josh.
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William Winner wrote:
so there's good slavery?
Pathetic. You put words in my mouth because you have no valid counter argument. Here is my full quote "without the ability to differentiate between good and evil slavery will remain a problem, and become an even bigger problem."
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no, I was just pointing out that what you should have said was "without the ability to differentiate between good and evil**,** slavery will remain a problem, and become an even bigger problem." And I wasn't trying to counter your argument because I didn't really care what you were saying. I just assumed it was nonsense and not worth a response. You do realize that in the Old Testament, the Jews had slaves. They had been provided with the 10 commandments from God and therefore knew the difference between good and evil and still had enslaved entire ethnic and religious groups. Being able to differentiate between good and evil does not remove slavery from society. Nor does the fact that you think you are currently enslaved mean that you actually are.
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Distind wrote:
find creation and improvement of the software I work on to be quite fulfilling
I do too but there is another level of fulfillment that you have not yet discovered.
Distind wrote:
Even what you describe isn't good vs evil
It is, that is what it boils down to. Those without spiritual awakening generally cannot differentiate the difference between good and evil, and that is the major flaw that enables society to degenerate into hell on earth, and enables those who are willing and capable to commit crimes against humanity.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Those without spiritual awakening generally cannot differentiate the difference between good and evil, and that is the major flaw that enables society to degenerate into hell on earth, and enables those who are willing and capable to commit crimes against humanity.
Funny, the religious people seem more tied up about gays and abortion than anything else, and there is far worse than either in this world.
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RichardM1 wrote:
mediaeval*
Mediæval, actually. ;P
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You really are a piece of work... You know that?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Those without spiritual awakening generally cannot differentiate the difference between good and evil
The problem isn't differentiating between good and evil. The problem is oversimplifying and redefining them. There's no such thing as ABSOLUTE good or ABSOLUTE evil. Everything is a shade of gray, some darker and some lighter. Killing someone? Well, you might consider it evil, but what if someone is pointing an assault rifle at a bunch of innocents, and you put a bullet in his head? Is that still evil? Maybe it's the lesser of two evils, in which case you have to logically conclude that there are varying degrees of evil. Likewise, some "good" things are better than others, so there must also be varying degrees of good. Put them together, and there's your sliding scale. Now, you think only religious people can figure out where things lie on that scale? Personally, I think religions are the WORST at that particular task. The extremist Muslim sects are the popular targets these days, with their jihads on the western world. They think killing thousands of people is "good," kind of like the church thought the Crusaders were "good." To religion, good and evil are a matter of skin color and timing. How about atheists? Well, sure there are some immoral people among us, just like every other group, but being atheist doesn't make one incapable of recognizing "good" and "bad." It's called the golden rule. Do unto others, and all that... Don't need religion to follow that one. Just simple logic. So if you want to preach to us non-religious folks about morals, you better find a higher horse to sit on, because spirituality isn't going to win this argument.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
The problem isn't differentiating between good and evil. The problem is oversimplifying and redefining them. There's no such thing as ABSOLUTE good or ABSOLUTE evil. Everything is a shade of gray, some darker and some lighter.
This is exactly the type of flawed mindset I am talking about. The inability to differentiate between good and evil. Again, without a spiritual awaking, you cannot differentiate between good and evil.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Well, you might consider it evil, but what if someone is pointing an assault rifle at a bunch of innocents, and you put a bullet in his head? Is that still evil?
Why was the person pointing the gun? What did the sniper know about the person and the people that person was pointing the gun at? Absolute full details are required to make proper judgment.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Now, you think only religious people can figure out where things lie on that scale?
People claim to be religious because they go to some church or read a bible. That doesn't mean the person is spiritually awakened. A strong sense of morality and a strong connection with the creator and the greater universe might mean you are spiritually awakened. It is a channel of consciousness that cannot be described with words, it can only be experienced. You will never understand what it means to be spiritually awakened and that is something to be pittied.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
How about atheists? Well, sure there are some immoral people among us, just like every other group, but being atheist doesn't make one incapable of recognizing "good" and "bad."
Again, you don't have to belong to any particular group or read some particular texts to be spiritually awakened.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
The problem isn't differentiating between good and evil. The problem is oversimplifying and redefining them. There's no such thing as ABSOLUTE good or ABSOLUTE evil. Everything is a shade of gray, some darker and some lighter.
This is exactly the type of flawed mindset I am talking about. The inability to differentiate between good and evil. Again, without a spiritual awaking, you cannot differentiate between good and evil.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Well, you might consider it evil, but what if someone is pointing an assault rifle at a bunch of innocents, and you put a bullet in his head? Is that still evil?
Why was the person pointing the gun? What did the sniper know about the person and the people that person was pointing the gun at? Absolute full details are required to make proper judgment.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Now, you think only religious people can figure out where things lie on that scale?
People claim to be religious because they go to some church or read a bible. That doesn't mean the person is spiritually awakened. A strong sense of morality and a strong connection with the creator and the greater universe might mean you are spiritually awakened. It is a channel of consciousness that cannot be described with words, it can only be experienced. You will never understand what it means to be spiritually awakened and that is something to be pittied.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
How about atheists? Well, sure there are some immoral people among us, just like every other group, but being atheist doesn't make one incapable of recognizing "good" and "bad."
Again, you don't have to belong to any particular group or read some particular texts to be spiritually awakened.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Why was the person pointing the gun? What did the sniper know about the person and the people that person was pointing the gun at? Absolute full details are required to make proper judgment.
You just proved my point. Thanks.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
People claim to be religious because they go to some church or read a bible. That doesn't mean the person is spiritually awakened. A strong sense of morality and a strong connection with the creator and the greater universe might mean you are spiritually awakened. It is a channel of consciousness that cannot be described with words, it can only be experienced. You will never understand what it means to be spiritually awakened and that is something to be pittied.
That's a specious argument. If you can't define this "channel of consciousness," you can't actually determine whether someone has experienced it. For all you know, I HAVE experienced it, without any sort of theistic belief. And if you define the experience itself as belief in a higher power, then it's circular reasoning and equally invalid. If I was formerly religious and "lost my faith," as they call it, you would have just argued that i wasn't really spiritual in the first place. If you want to convince a programmer, try a logical argument instead of an unfalsifiable statement.
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You really are a piece of work... You know that?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Those without spiritual awakening generally cannot differentiate the difference between good and evil
The problem isn't differentiating between good and evil. The problem is oversimplifying and redefining them. There's no such thing as ABSOLUTE good or ABSOLUTE evil. Everything is a shade of gray, some darker and some lighter. Killing someone? Well, you might consider it evil, but what if someone is pointing an assault rifle at a bunch of innocents, and you put a bullet in his head? Is that still evil? Maybe it's the lesser of two evils, in which case you have to logically conclude that there are varying degrees of evil. Likewise, some "good" things are better than others, so there must also be varying degrees of good. Put them together, and there's your sliding scale. Now, you think only religious people can figure out where things lie on that scale? Personally, I think religions are the WORST at that particular task. The extremist Muslim sects are the popular targets these days, with their jihads on the western world. They think killing thousands of people is "good," kind of like the church thought the Crusaders were "good." To religion, good and evil are a matter of skin color and timing. How about atheists? Well, sure there are some immoral people among us, just like every other group, but being atheist doesn't make one incapable of recognizing "good" and "bad." It's called the golden rule. Do unto others, and all that... Don't need religion to follow that one. Just simple logic. So if you want to preach to us non-religious folks about morals, you better find a higher horse to sit on, because spirituality isn't going to win this argument.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
There's no such thing as ABSOLUTE good or ABSOLUTE evil. Everything is a shade of gray, some darker and some lighter. Killing someone? Well, you might consider it evil, but what if someone is pointing an assault rifle at a bunch of innocents, and you put a bullet in his head? Is that still evil? Maybe it's the lesser of two evils, in which case you have to logically conclude that there are varying degrees of evil. Likewise, some "good" things are better than others, so there must also be varying degrees of good. Put them together, and there's your sliding scale.
That's the kind of argument I hear for people who want to torture or hold people indefinitely. It's one or the other. Doing bad things doesn't absolve you of the consequences to your mind. Getting the okay from your society to kill people of another society doesn't make it okay, it just removes the punishment from your society. That's supposed to make it okay, but it doesn't. I can accept that I did something wrong, accept the consequences of it both personally and from society. There is of course a difference between breaking the law and what is moral and just. The law is not a substitute for morality or justice. Laws just provide a way for society to punish people for breaking societal rules. They don't have to be mine or yours for the action to be good or bad. There of course is a rub between society and the individual.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
So if you want to preach to us non-religious folks about morals, you better find a higher horse to sit on, because spirituality isn't going to win this argument.
His morals are based on what he can get from other people. The points of view he subscribes to are just his ways to justify his taking of what he perceives he's earned. It's a lot of complaining for not a whole lot of earning. He talks a lot about how we all need to wake up about the elitists and the conspiracies that abound in his view of the world, but not a single time does he pause for doubt and humility before telling us off. Some how he must posses some form of intellect that we don't for why else would we just not get it. If anyone here thinks he's better than anyone it is CSS.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Those without spiritual awakening generally cannot differentiate the difference between good and evil, and that is the major flaw that enables society to degenerate into hell on earth, and enables those who are willing and capable to commit crimes against humanity.
Funny, the religious people seem more tied up about gays and abortion than anything else, and there is far worse than either in this world.
Well, those are relevant topics. It is considered immoral to kill a baby. The majority of homosexuals are not born, they make the choice to be sexually deviant. If you look at the facts most homosexuals tend to have STDs, support corrupt government. This is immoral. A real homosexual is born with hormonal imbalances that make the body feel as if it is of the opposite sex, and therfore naturally that person becomes attracted to what the body and mind feels is the opposite sex when in fact it is the same sex. This is not immoral.
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