your first programming gig
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Were you paid market wages?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Why would I agree to be paid otherwise? Back then, we're talking salaries (for entry level) in the range of $16,000/year. Here I am, almost 30 years later, and still making less than five times that amount.
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Minimum wage (came to around £12K a year) in 2004, mostly maintenance of several hundred (but mostly small with a few exceptions relating to timesheets, warehouse stock control and e-commerce processing) old VB6 apps but also some new C# .NET development. There was me, an ASP web developer who I think was on same amount, a network admin and IT manager within IT.
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Why would I agree to be paid otherwise? Back then, we're talking salaries (for entry level) in the range of $16,000/year. Here I am, almost 30 years later, and still making less than five times that amount.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
still making less than five times that amount
Ouch. I'm pretty sure you're being screwed.
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
yes 1993
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1982, and considering my level of experience, yeah, I suppose it was fair...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
1982, and considering my level of experience, yeah, I suppose it was fair...
Man you guys are genius. You know I born in that year. :-)
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
yes, 1992. I assume all first time employees feel they are underpaid; only after years of experience (and seeing new first time employees) that they understand the original low pay.
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Fairly? Well, it was minimum wage, but then, I was 16 years old, and it was a summer internship, writing a few tools in VB6 for a local government data processing center (Before I moved to NYC)... So I'd say it was fair, given the situation.
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
It was some “management information system “created with Delphi 2 in 2000. The payment sucked and the application sucked even worse.
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Debatable. 2005; I was hired on the lower end of the pay curve for the area I was in; but because I'd completed my BS 2 years prior I can understand them being concerned that I had a problem that wasn't readily apparent (besides sucking at my interviewing skills). Several months later after HR bought it's annual salary market research report I was given a 'stop loss' raise that brought me up to the median rate for an entry level programmer.
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
1976. At $5 an hour, I suppose it wasn't really fair, but it was only one task of many I did as a lab tech for a university, and lab techs are typically paid very poorly. Writing an OS and Assembler for the Altair 8800, after rebuilding it from a botched job by my predecessor, then designing and building interfaces to an ASR33 Teletype terminal and a Varian minicomputer that was, itself, emulating an IBM 1103 was interesting and fun, but not very profitable... :-D
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
still making less than five times that amount
Ouch. I'm pretty sure you're being screwed.
Really? I think there are more over-payed programmers than there are earning a fair wage. Besides that, what's fair is determined in large part by your local cost of living. In San Antonio, my salary is considered to be a goog chunk of change.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Really? I think there are more over-payed programmers than there are earning a fair wage. Besides that, what's fair is determined in large part by your local cost of living. In San Antonio, my salary is considered to be a goog chunk of change.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
what's fair is determined in large part by your local cost of living
Ah, quite true. Glad to hear you're earning what is fair. :)
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Yes, I thought I was fairly compensated at the time. I paid my college tuition by programming for professors the University of Texas in 1969-70 in Fortran. Later I was paid to work as a programmer on a research project that paid until I graduated in 1973.
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1976. At $5 an hour, I suppose it wasn't really fair, but it was only one task of many I did as a lab tech for a university, and lab techs are typically paid very poorly. Writing an OS and Assembler for the Altair 8800, after rebuilding it from a botched job by my predecessor, then designing and building interfaces to an ASR33 Teletype terminal and a Varian minicomputer that was, itself, emulating an IBM 1103 was interesting and fun, but not very profitable... :-D
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Roger Wright wrote:
At $5 an hour, I suppose it wasn't really fair, but it was only one task of many I did as a lab tech for a university, and lab techs are typically paid very poorly. Writing an OS and Assembler for the Altair 8800, after rebuilding it from a botched job by my predecessor, then designing and building interfaces to an ASR33 Teletype terminal and a Varian minicomputer that was, itself, emulating an IBM 1103 was interesting and fun, but not very profitable...
That sounds like some serious fun!! :-D
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
I was still in college when I got my first coding job. Due to that they considered me an intern while having no intern affiliation/credit with the school. The pay was a mighty $8 an hour. A big jump from the $5.70 an hour I was making working a cash register. That was round about 1999.
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
My first "programming gig" was in 1970 - progam was "Hello World" in FORTRAN and I got an "A" for the assignment :rolleyes:
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
1980, writing FORTRAN, I had four programming classes under my belt (I was a college student at the time). I was being paid $6.00/hour, and the folks I worked for billed my time at $35.00/hour to the client. Through my college career I programmed in FORTRAN, in 8085 and 8086 assembly language, managed several VAXen, and even spent several months as a technical writer. Considering that I learned as much or more from my job as I did my classes, yeah, I was fairly compensated.
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Were you fairly compensated at your first programming job? Wwhat year was it?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
March / April 1997. $7 an hour doing work for a research team on a DARPA project. After that I got a full time gig on May 19th of that year and I still work for the same research team (different from the $7 team) even though we have changed universities.
John