Speaking in 'toungues'
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OK, not naming names here, but it turns out there are some CP members who do. Now I have always found this hysterically funny. How supposedly grown up people can be so self delusional as to make complete idiots out of themselves by gibbering away like this is just so deeply funny. I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people. After all stupid peopel are easially duped, but to hear of CP members bragging about 'speaking in toungues' is almost disturbing. How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god? OK, so lets assume it is, has anyone got a dictionary? Can anyone trace the etymology of Sanscrit or Hebrew, or anyother ancient language back to 'toungue'? After all, we all did speak this one language way back, or so the Bible says, so any of those older languages would derrive from this common language in the way that most European languages derrive for Sanskrit. So, come on you gibbering religious types, got any proof that you arent completely bonkers? Can you provide a dictionary and if not why not? You make an audible sound, why cant it be represented by any of the 46 or so common phonemes and written down?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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OK, not naming names here, but it turns out there are some CP members who do. Now I have always found this hysterically funny. How supposedly grown up people can be so self delusional as to make complete idiots out of themselves by gibbering away like this is just so deeply funny. I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people. After all stupid peopel are easially duped, but to hear of CP members bragging about 'speaking in toungues' is almost disturbing. How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god? OK, so lets assume it is, has anyone got a dictionary? Can anyone trace the etymology of Sanscrit or Hebrew, or anyother ancient language back to 'toungue'? After all, we all did speak this one language way back, or so the Bible says, so any of those older languages would derrive from this common language in the way that most European languages derrive for Sanskrit. So, come on you gibbering religious types, got any proof that you arent completely bonkers? Can you provide a dictionary and if not why not? You make an audible sound, why cant it be represented by any of the 46 or so common phonemes and written down?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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OK, not naming names here, but it turns out there are some CP members who do. Now I have always found this hysterically funny. How supposedly grown up people can be so self delusional as to make complete idiots out of themselves by gibbering away like this is just so deeply funny. I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people. After all stupid peopel are easially duped, but to hear of CP members bragging about 'speaking in toungues' is almost disturbing. How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god? OK, so lets assume it is, has anyone got a dictionary? Can anyone trace the etymology of Sanscrit or Hebrew, or anyother ancient language back to 'toungue'? After all, we all did speak this one language way back, or so the Bible says, so any of those older languages would derrive from this common language in the way that most European languages derrive for Sanskrit. So, come on you gibbering religious types, got any proof that you arent completely bonkers? Can you provide a dictionary and if not why not? You make an audible sound, why cant it be represented by any of the 46 or so common phonemes and written down?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
So God makes people speak in a language only he can understand? Wouldn't that imply that he would already know what was being said in tongues and therefore make the entire exercise irrelevant? It's like me inventing a written language that only I understand, sending you a long email in this language for you to send back to me. What I would like to know is has anyone spoken in tongues without having heard about it before hand? If everyone that has spoken in tongues has already been told that God will interact with them this way and they want God to interact with them it seems likely that it's just their subconscious fucking with them. But you're right, it is fucking funny to see.
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So God makes people speak in a language only he can understand? Wouldn't that imply that he would already know what was being said in tongues and therefore make the entire exercise irrelevant? It's like me inventing a written language that only I understand, sending you a long email in this language for you to send back to me. What I would like to know is has anyone spoken in tongues without having heard about it before hand? If everyone that has spoken in tongues has already been told that God will interact with them this way and they want God to interact with them it seems likely that it's just their subconscious fucking with them. But you're right, it is fucking funny to see.
Ah, so you think the speaker doesnt actually know what he is saying? Hmm, that is bizare. What is the point then? As you say, surely thinking, or saying it in ones normal language is more meaningful. They could just be reciting his shopping list. They would never know. Is that devout worship?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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So God makes people speak in a language only he can understand? Wouldn't that imply that he would already know what was being said in tongues and therefore make the entire exercise irrelevant? It's like me inventing a written language that only I understand, sending you a long email in this language for you to send back to me. What I would like to know is has anyone spoken in tongues without having heard about it before hand? If everyone that has spoken in tongues has already been told that God will interact with them this way and they want God to interact with them it seems likely that it's just their subconscious fucking with them. But you're right, it is fucking funny to see.
Josh Gray wrote:
So God makes people speak in a language only he can understand? Wouldn't that imply that he would already know what was being said in tongues and therefore make the entire exercise irrelevant?
All of omniscience and omnipotence fails like that, and even more strongly. They're riddled with paradoxes.
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Ah, so you think the speaker doesnt actually know what he is saying? Hmm, that is bizare. What is the point then? As you say, surely thinking, or saying it in ones normal language is more meaningful. They could just be reciting his shopping list. They would never know. Is that devout worship?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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OK, not naming names here, but it turns out there are some CP members who do. Now I have always found this hysterically funny. How supposedly grown up people can be so self delusional as to make complete idiots out of themselves by gibbering away like this is just so deeply funny. I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people. After all stupid peopel are easially duped, but to hear of CP members bragging about 'speaking in toungues' is almost disturbing. How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god? OK, so lets assume it is, has anyone got a dictionary? Can anyone trace the etymology of Sanscrit or Hebrew, or anyother ancient language back to 'toungue'? After all, we all did speak this one language way back, or so the Bible says, so any of those older languages would derrive from this common language in the way that most European languages derrive for Sanskrit. So, come on you gibbering religious types, got any proof that you arent completely bonkers? Can you provide a dictionary and if not why not? You make an audible sound, why cant it be represented by any of the 46 or so common phonemes and written down?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Lol. Well. How about "if you're not speaking in tongues, you are not really a christian"? Also, research has been done. Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania took brain images of five women while they spoke in tongues and found that their frontal lobes — the thinking, willful part of the brain through which people control what they do — were relatively quiet, as were the language centers. The regions involved in maintaining self-consciousness were active. Indicating that they're just spouting gibberish, while they remained self-conscious, so they were not "possessed". And the brain is purely chemical - if god were poking around in the brain, it would be measurable.
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OK, not naming names here, but it turns out there are some CP members who do. Now I have always found this hysterically funny. How supposedly grown up people can be so self delusional as to make complete idiots out of themselves by gibbering away like this is just so deeply funny. I always associated this behaviour with fairly stupid people. After all stupid peopel are easially duped, but to hear of CP members bragging about 'speaking in toungues' is almost disturbing. How can these people seriously think this is a language spoken by god? OK, so lets assume it is, has anyone got a dictionary? Can anyone trace the etymology of Sanscrit or Hebrew, or anyother ancient language back to 'toungue'? After all, we all did speak this one language way back, or so the Bible says, so any of those older languages would derrive from this common language in the way that most European languages derrive for Sanskrit. So, come on you gibbering religious types, got any proof that you arent completely bonkers? Can you provide a dictionary and if not why not? You make an audible sound, why cant it be represented by any of the 46 or so common phonemes and written down?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
What's impressive, in my opinion, is being able to speak in human languages. 'Speaking in tongues' follows no consistent syntax or grammar.
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Ah, so you think the speaker doesnt actually know what he is saying? Hmm, that is bizare. What is the point then? As you say, surely thinking, or saying it in ones normal language is more meaningful. They could just be reciting his shopping list. They would never know. Is that devout worship?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
Ah, so you think the speaker doesnt actually know what he is saying?
I just assumed, might not be the case.
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Lol. Well. How about "if you're not speaking in tongues, you are not really a christian"? Also, research has been done. Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania took brain images of five women while they spoke in tongues and found that their frontal lobes — the thinking, willful part of the brain through which people control what they do — were relatively quiet, as were the language centers. The regions involved in maintaining self-consciousness were active. Indicating that they're just spouting gibberish, while they remained self-conscious, so they were not "possessed". And the brain is purely chemical - if god were poking around in the brain, it would be measurable.
harold aptroot wrote:
The regions involved in maintaining self-consciousness were active
YEah, I can see why. I would feel pretty self concious gibbering away in public like that! I like the research though, it really does prove it is just mindless blather.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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I think you are probably right. After all, one would have expected them to have produced a 'toungue' dictionary if they knew what they were saying.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Please learn how to spell 'tongue'. ;)
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What's impressive, in my opinion, is being able to speak in human languages. 'Speaking in tongues' follows no consistent syntax or grammar.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
What's impressive, in my opinion, is being able to speak in human languages.
We have a two year old son who was a bit slow to pick up language but now seems to learn many new words every day. It's an amazing thing to watch him learning to communicate verbally.
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Please learn how to spell 'tongue'. ;)
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What's impressive, in my opinion, is being able to speak in human languages. 'Speaking in tongues' follows no consistent syntax or grammar.
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Yeah, sorry. My English spelling is really fallling apart these days!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
You should do what I do and always have a dictionary handy! :)
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
What's impressive, in my opinion, is being able to speak in human languages.
We have a two year old son who was a bit slow to pick up language but now seems to learn many new words every day. It's an amazing thing to watch him learning to communicate verbally.
Josh Gray wrote:
It's an amazing thing to watch him learning to communicate verbally.
And then you'll have to watch it decline again when he reaches adolescence. ;P
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You should do what I do and always have a dictionary handy! :)