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  • C Chris Meech

    Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

    programming as a skill should improve with age

    Speaking as an aged individual, I would say that my areas of problem solving, handling complexity and understanding of systems are much better than they used to be. The real problem is that when I get to work in the morning, I can't remember what the heck I was working on yesterday.

    Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]

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    Single Step Debugger
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    Same problem here and I’m 35, probably it something to do with the Vodka. :-D

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      Chris Meech wrote:

      The real problem is that when I get to work in the morning, I can't remember what the heck I was working on yesterday.

      Yes, the book talks about that too. The ability to remember things fades (which is obvious).

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      Fades. Geez, I wish. In my case it up and disappears. :)

      Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]

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      • A AspDotNetDev

        Last night, I watched Prince of Persia, then Tarzan. By the time I was done watching Tarzan, I had forgotten what movie I saw before it. And I'm only 25.

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        Chris Meech
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        Yeah well, Prince of Persia will do that to you. :)

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          Same problem here and I’m 35, probably it something to do with the Vodka. :-D

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          Chris Meech
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          For god sakes, make sure you don't forget where you put the vodka. :)

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          • S Single Step Debugger

            Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

            I am reading it on my iPad using the Kindle App.

            You don’t like your eyes much, do you? Why just don’t buy a Kindle?

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            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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            Deyan Georgiev wrote:

            You don’t like your eyes much, do you

            The iPad does not hurt the eyes. In fact my monitor hurts my eyes more than the iPad. The only place where Kindle may be better is in direct sunlight. iPad is unreadable in direct sunlight or places where glare is expected.

            Deyan Georgiev wrote:

            Why just don’t buy a Kindle?

            Because I already have an iPad.

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              Last night, I watched Prince of Persia, then Tarzan. By the time I was done watching Tarzan, I had forgotten what movie I saw before it. And I'm only 25.

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              When you get to forty you will need a big signs “To The Bathroom=>” in your apartment. :-D

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                For god sakes, make sure you don't forget where you put the vodka. :)

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                No way! This information is coded on genetic level. :-D

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                • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                  Years back someone posted an article here (I can't find it now) which claimed that middle-aged programmers (40-68) are not expected to be as good as their non middle aged counter parts. Any link to original article will be appreciated? I did Google fir it but could not find that exact article. These days, I am reading this book: The Secret Life of the Grown-Up Brain: The Surprising Talents of the Middle-Aged Mind[^]. This was one of the popular books on Brain - a topic of my interest. The books cites several research studies citing that some faculties of brain actually improve in the middle age. One such thing is problem solving - which is what programming all about. Things such as ability to recognize and make sense complex patterns also improves - which again a common thing in programming. Another faculty that is expected to grow is the ability to comprehend the whole (system architecture). So what it should imply is that programming as a skill should improve with age. . Is that what happens in the real world? In my case at least, though I have yet to hit middle age, I can see that I have improved in lot of areas but I do not know whether it is due to accumulation of learning over the years or due to development of brain.

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                  Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                  Years back someone posted an article here (I can't find it now) which claimed that middle-aged programmers (40-68) are not expected to be as good as their non middle aged counter parts. Any link to original article will be appreciated? I did Google but did not find that exact article.

                  It was written by CLK* a few years back.... ;P ;P

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                    When you get to forty you will need a big signs “To The Bathroom=>” in your apartment. :-D

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                    If my vision fades too, I imagine it will be a bit like the scene in Minority Report where Tom Cruise gets his eyes replaced and has to follow a line of thread to the bathroom. Let's just hope my future wife makes a better sandwich.

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                      No way! This information is coded on genetic level. :-D

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                      Chris Meech
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                      That is way cool. So as the old brain cells die off, and new ones are regenerated, the genetic code is inherited and so you'll always remember were the vodka is. I love it. :)

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                        For god sakes, make sure you don't forget where you put the vodka. :)

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                        AspDotNetDev
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                        Chris Meech wrote:

                        forget where you put the vodka

                        Now that's a drinking problem!

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                          Same problem here and I’m 35, probably it something to do with the Vodka. :-D

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                          Nemanja Trifunovic
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                          Vodka? I thought you would know better than that[^] :)

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                          • C Christian Graus

                            I don't have a kindle, I use the kindle app on my iPad.

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                            You and Rama plotted against me.:suss:

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                            • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                              Deyan Georgiev wrote:

                              You don’t like your eyes much, do you

                              The iPad does not hurt the eyes. In fact my monitor hurts my eyes more than the iPad. The only place where Kindle may be better is in direct sunlight. iPad is unreadable in direct sunlight or places where glare is expected.

                              Deyan Georgiev wrote:

                              Why just don’t buy a Kindle?

                              Because I already have an iPad.

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                              No, it is using a real ink; the reflecting on direct sunlight is only one of the pros. The most important is that it feels like a real book printed on very luxury paper with high quality printing. And the Kindle is created to be a book, not a combination of computer, reader, TV set, portable shower, not very soft toilet paper, sandwich tray, etc. etc.

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                                Vodka? I thought you would know better than that[^] :)

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                                • A AspDotNetDev

                                  Last night, I watched Prince of Persia, then Tarzan. By the time I was done watching Tarzan, I had forgotten what movie I saw before it. And I'm only 25.

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                                  That's not your fault, given the movies you watched! :)

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                                    Vodka? I thought you would know better than that[^] :)

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                                    It’s not easy to find good Rakia in NJ Nemanja.:) How was the word in your language, “Lozovina”? :)

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                                    • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                      Years back someone posted an article here (I can't find it now) which claimed that middle-aged programmers (40-68) are not expected to be as good as their non middle aged counter parts. Any link to original article will be appreciated? I did Google fir it but could not find that exact article. These days, I am reading this book: The Secret Life of the Grown-Up Brain: The Surprising Talents of the Middle-Aged Mind[^]. This was one of the popular books on Brain - a topic of my interest. The books cites several research studies citing that some faculties of brain actually improve in the middle age. One such thing is problem solving - which is what programming all about. Things such as ability to recognize and make sense complex patterns also improves - which again a common thing in programming. Another faculty that is expected to grow is the ability to comprehend the whole (system architecture). So what it should imply is that programming as a skill should improve with age. . Is that what happens in the real world? In my case at least, though I have yet to hit middle age, I can see that I have improved in lot of areas but I do not know whether it is due to accumulation of learning over the years or due to development of brain.

                                      modified on Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:02 PM

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                                      I'm only 35, so my opinion may be tainted but... From what have seen from my older peers, there's a few things that are holding them back. 1. They still think old computer thoughts. It's like they think how would I accomplish this in Cobol, then think if I did that in Cobol how would I convert it to .Net. This can produce some interesting results... 2. They tend to be a little less interested (maybe even less able) in learning the new technologies. Of course I've met and worked with people who are exception to that. I also think there is a bias to assume those things about older people, and then when you see evidence, it reinforces that believe, while that same evidence would be disregarded if they buy was in his 20's.

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                                        No, it is using a real ink; the reflecting on direct sunlight is only one of the pros. The most important is that it feels like a real book printed on very luxury paper with high quality printing. And the Kindle is created to be a book, not a combination of computer, reader, TV set, portable shower, not very soft toilet paper, sandwich tray, etc. etc.

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                                        Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                                        Yes a kindle is a better reading device (depending on where you want to read) than an iPad and an iPad is a better overall content consuming device. That's the trade off. I chose an iPad.

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                                          You and Rama plotted against me.:suss:

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                                          *grin* sorry about that, it was purely accidental, but I got a giggle when I realised what had happened.

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