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Greenie talks about the state of AGW

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    I was shocked by what I found. Firstly, there’s no real consensus among the scientists in the UN working groups, especially around oceanography and atmospheric physics. The atmospheric physics of carbon dioxide for example is presented as being pretty straightforward: it is a greenhouse gas, therefore it warms up the planet. But even that isn’t settled. There’s a huge amount of scientific disagreement on how much extra heating in the atmosphere you will get from carbon dioxide. It is even broadly accepted that carbon dioxide on its own is not a problem. So, you can double the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and get half to one degree warming, which is within the natural variability range over a period of 50 years from now at the current rate of emissions....So why is the UN saying what it is saying? Well, if you actually look at the wording of what this so-called consensus of scientists has produced, then you will see that they believe that ‘global warming is not due to known natural causes acting alone’. This is clever wording. It means that the door is open to an unknown mechanism driving the warming. So although it is well known that the warming is naturally driven, the mechanism is not. [^] Quite a reasonable piece IMO.

    Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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      I was shocked by what I found. Firstly, there’s no real consensus among the scientists in the UN working groups, especially around oceanography and atmospheric physics. The atmospheric physics of carbon dioxide for example is presented as being pretty straightforward: it is a greenhouse gas, therefore it warms up the planet. But even that isn’t settled. There’s a huge amount of scientific disagreement on how much extra heating in the atmosphere you will get from carbon dioxide. It is even broadly accepted that carbon dioxide on its own is not a problem. So, you can double the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and get half to one degree warming, which is within the natural variability range over a period of 50 years from now at the current rate of emissions....So why is the UN saying what it is saying? Well, if you actually look at the wording of what this so-called consensus of scientists has produced, then you will see that they believe that ‘global warming is not due to known natural causes acting alone’. This is clever wording. It means that the door is open to an unknown mechanism driving the warming. So although it is well known that the warming is naturally driven, the mechanism is not. [^] Quite a reasonable piece IMO.

      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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      Ian Shlasko
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      Great, now you're doing it too? Seriously people... Setting a whole post as a link is incredibly annoying, more difficult to read, and makes you look like an idiot. The idea is to have a few relevant words link to the article in question[^], so the rest of the text is in the normal font/style. See how much better that looks?

      Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
      Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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        Great, now you're doing it too? Seriously people... Setting a whole post as a link is incredibly annoying, more difficult to read, and makes you look like an idiot. The idea is to have a few relevant words link to the article in question[^], so the rest of the text is in the normal font/style. See how much better that looks?

        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
        Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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        wolfbinary
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        But that looses dramatic effect.

        That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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        • I Ian Shlasko

          Great, now you're doing it too? Seriously people... Setting a whole post as a link is incredibly annoying, more difficult to read, and makes you look like an idiot. The idea is to have a few relevant words link to the article in question[^], so the rest of the text is in the normal font/style. See how much better that looks?

          Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
          Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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          Simon_Whale
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          its nearly worth a "why long links suck!" post, but its friday :laugh:

          Marc Clifton wrote:

          That has nothing to do with VB. - Oh crap. I just defended VB!

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            Great, now you're doing it too? Seriously people... Setting a whole post as a link is incredibly annoying, more difficult to read, and makes you look like an idiot. The idea is to have a few relevant words link to the article in question[^], so the rest of the text is in the normal font/style. See how much better that looks?

            Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
            Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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            If thats the only thing about the post you found disagreable then I am pleased.

            Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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              If thats the only thing about the post you found disagreable then I am pleased.

              Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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              Ian Shlasko
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              Well, I didn't get past that, so I never actually read the post or clicked the link.

              Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
              Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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              • I Ian Shlasko

                Well, I didn't get past that, so I never actually read the post or clicked the link.

                Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                Christian Graus
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                Me either. A whole post that is a link, I disregard, no matter who posted it.

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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