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  • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

    I wanted to see if I could teach my six year old daughter some programming (may be too early but worth a try). While looking at various options: I came across Microsoft Kids corner[^] and this awesomeness[^] (Small Basic). I did not know about both of them before today.

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    Anthony Mushrow
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    Repost: http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3238101/Programming-for-kids.aspx[^] Okay, it's not really. To be honest I've not seen or heard anything on it since then but it hasn't been around that long really. Trying to teach a six year old programming... seems like it might be tough, and you wouldn't want to put them off it either. On the other hand if you can get her interested then it can be quite rewarding.

    My current favourite quote is: Punch them in the face, see what happens!

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      For a six year old I still firmly believe that if they cannot see pretty-much instantaneous results they lose interest more quickly that they will anyway. Bearing that in mind, for an introductory introduction, I still believe that turtle graphics (logo)[^] style language is best. If they show any interest then that is the time to move them towards more mainstream languages.

      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas? - Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. Business Myths of the Geek #4 'What you think matters.'

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      CPallini
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      Still, for the kids, I believe lego is better than logo... :-D

      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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        Still, for the kids, I believe lego is better than logo... :-D

        If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
        This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
        [My articles]

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        Henry Minute
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        Absotively! If the expense of a small 'MindStorms' kit is not beyond reach, then it is even more interactive.

        Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas? - Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. Business Myths of the Geek #4 'What you think matters.'

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          Absotively! If the expense of a small 'MindStorms' kit is not beyond reach, then it is even more interactive.

          Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas? - Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. Business Myths of the Geek #4 'What you think matters.'

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          That's really good, can't wait my son Matteo grows up to 10! :)

          If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
          This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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            That's really good, can't wait my son Matteo grows up to 10! :)

            If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
            This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
            [My articles]

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            Henry Minute
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            In between posting here, coding and having supper I have just watched a BBC TV program of a concert by Stevie Winwood and Eric Clapton. One of the songs they did was Voodo Chile. Not as good as Jimi, but bloody good all the same.

            Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas? - Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. Business Myths of the Geek #4 'What you think matters.'

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            • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

              I wanted to see if I could teach my six year old daughter some programming (may be too early but worth a try). While looking at various options: I came across Microsoft Kids corner[^] and this awesomeness[^] (Small Basic). I did not know about both of them before today.

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              Amar Chaudhary
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              I don't know if a product exists for the propose - but it would be great if you introduce her to flowcharts. i.e. creating flowcharts for simple activities like going to school, going to park or something similar - just make sure let her do any thing she likes and not you likes.

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                In between posting here, coding and having supper I have just watched a BBC TV program of a concert by Stevie Winwood and Eric Clapton. One of the songs they did was Voodo Chile. Not as good as Jimi, but bloody good all the same.

                Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas? - Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. Business Myths of the Geek #4 'What you think matters.'

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                CPallini
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                :thumbsup: Also Stevie Ray Vaughan's "Little Wing" was very good.

                If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                [My articles]

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                • H Henry Minute

                  For a six year old I still firmly believe that if they cannot see pretty-much instantaneous results they lose interest more quickly that they will anyway. Bearing that in mind, for an introductory introduction, I still believe that turtle graphics (logo)[^] style language is best. If they show any interest then that is the time to move them towards more mainstream languages.

                  Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas? - Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. Business Myths of the Geek #4 'What you think matters.'

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                  Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                  I agree! I just wanted to give it a try.

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                  • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                    I wanted to see if I could teach my six year old daughter some programming (may be too early but worth a try). While looking at various options: I came across Microsoft Kids corner[^] and this awesomeness[^] (Small Basic). I did not know about both of them before today.

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                    Nemanja Trifunovic
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                    I tried with Scratch[^], but we were all dissapointed; it is boring and the graphics are bad. ANother option we did not try but are considering is Alice[^]

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                    • A Amar Chaudhary

                      I don't know if a product exists for the propose - but it would be great if you introduce her to flowcharts. i.e. creating flowcharts for simple activities like going to school, going to park or something similar - just make sure let her do any thing she likes and not you likes.

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                      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                      Amar Chaudhary wrote:

                      creating flowcharts for simple activities like going to school, going to park or something similar

                      Not a bad idea!

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                      • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                        I wanted to see if I could teach my six year old daughter some programming (may be too early but worth a try). While looking at various options: I came across Microsoft Kids corner[^] and this awesomeness[^] (Small Basic). I did not know about both of them before today.

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                        Been there. Done that (we tried Scratch). Kids moved on :-D Personally my kids hate my job. According to them I am on the computer at least 12-14 hours a day.

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                        • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                          I wanted to see if I could teach my six year old daughter some programming (may be too early but worth a try). While looking at various options: I came across Microsoft Kids corner[^] and this awesomeness[^] (Small Basic). I did not know about both of them before today.

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                          Dan Mos
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                          Yeah I knew about them in a while but it's just to hard to learn. I can't ask anybody to send codez :( Send DragAndDropez! :-D Joke aside I totally agree with Henry :)

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                          • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                            I wanted to see if I could teach my six year old daughter some programming (may be too early but worth a try). While looking at various options: I came across Microsoft Kids corner[^] and this awesomeness[^] (Small Basic). I did not know about both of them before today.

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                            Have you looked at GameMaker 8 yet? A friend took a class in game design at the local college, and I worked with her some using this tool. It's awesome, and I'm convinced that with a little adult guidance initially, a six year old could find hours of entertainment creating games with it. It won't make PS3 style games, but it's more than adequate to build arcade type games with mazes, falling things to dodge, dragons flaming, magic objects to capture - all good stuff for kids. It doesn't require anything special to make the finished games run, either, so the games it produces can be shared with friends. Best part - it's free! The Pro upgrade costs all of $25, but the basic version is quite enough.

                            "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                            • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                              I wanted to see if I could teach my six year old daughter some programming (may be too early but worth a try). While looking at various options: I came across Microsoft Kids corner[^] and this awesomeness[^] (Small Basic). I did not know about both of them before today.

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                              You might want to look into Microsoft's Kodu Game Lab [^]. It's similar to a Logo style programming but kids can make their own video games very easily. It's not a formal language to be sure but it will get kids solving problems and thinking programatically very quickly. And I thought it was kinda fun too. It's about $6 downloaded on XBox Live or a free download on a PC.

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                              • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                I wanted to see if I could teach my six year old daughter some programming (may be too early but worth a try). While looking at various options: I came across Microsoft Kids corner[^] and this awesomeness[^] (Small Basic). I did not know about both of them before today.

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                                Mindrover[^] if you can find a copy anywhere...

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                                • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                  I wanted to see if I could teach my six year old daughter some programming (may be too early but worth a try). While looking at various options: I came across Microsoft Kids corner[^] and this awesomeness[^] (Small Basic). I did not know about both of them before today.

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                                  Flynn Arrowstarr Regular Schmoe
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                                  Another good programming game -- Omega[^] Used to play this for hours on the Commodore Amiga. :-\ Flynn

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                                    In between posting here, coding and having supper I have just watched a BBC TV program of a concert by Stevie Winwood and Eric Clapton. One of the songs they did was Voodo Chile. Not as good as Jimi, but bloody good all the same.

                                    Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas? - Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec. Business Myths of the Geek #4 'What you think matters.'

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                                    ErrolErrol
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                                    My public library has that concert....well, maybe not YOUR exact concert....but those two great guys anyhow, in concert, live and rockin', on DVD. Might be worth a look for anyone who didn't see it on the BBC tonight! :-D

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                                      I don't know if a product exists for the propose - but it would be great if you introduce her to flowcharts. i.e. creating flowcharts for simple activities like going to school, going to park or something similar - just make sure let her do any thing she likes and not you likes.

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                                      ErrolErrol
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                                      I would think that the nice visual aspects of the UML might appeal to children....I like the little actors very much myself! :-D

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                                        I don't know if a product exists for the propose - but it would be great if you introduce her to flowcharts. i.e. creating flowcharts for simple activities like going to school, going to park or something similar - just make sure let her do any thing she likes and not you likes.

                                        My Startup!!!!
                                        Profile@Elance - feedback available too

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                                        Try Scratch - it is a visual language with statements set out as visual blocks - almost like a flow chart actually. My kids love it.

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                                          I tried with Scratch[^], but we were all dissapointed; it is boring and the graphics are bad. ANother option we did not try but are considering is Alice[^]

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                                          No, Scratch is not boring. You've got to think what is a six year old going to be interested in programming for, and focus on small tasks with instant payoff. Does she like music? Then program some noise (drums, beeps, etc controlled by the keyboard or mouse), or show her how to record and playback herself singing. Does she like drawing? There's a (primitive) drawing program she can draw a picture - then do a program to spin it around or change its colour. There are plenty of program examples - does she like "Knock knock" jokes? They're pretty funny at that age and she can make her own from the examples.

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