Shall we do other peoples homework?
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Hi everybody, In the last months, answering programming questions in the forums, I got the feeling that we are more and more "misused" by pupils and undergraduate students to do their homework for them. There are a lot of questions which really do smell like typical homework questions: Could anyone tell me why disabling interupts to achieve mutual exclusion is not acceptable on a multiprocessor sytem? How to change number data from base 256 to base 16? ... Of course it is the job of the teachers and not ours to ensure that they do their homework on their own ;P. And I have no problems helping them if they really tried to do it on their own first - quite the reverse! However, sometimes it looks like that the questioner even did not tried to understand the question, but just posted it to the forum. Shall we really do answer this kind of questions? Do we need a kind of "CodeProject agreement" about handling such cases? -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de (Hey, this page is worth looking! You can find some free and handy NT tools there :-D )
Daniel Lohmann wrote: Shall we really do answer this kind of questions? Why not ? Anyway... the students are trying to find answer to their questions (not by their own but...). If they don´t want to do some kinda research to find the answers, the most wronged persons are themselfs. Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter :jig: I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race :jig:
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If it is a question that can be answered in a couple of minutes then I'll probably give a response. If it is a homework question, the only loser is the one who asked the question. If they don't get the basic research and learning skills down then they'll end up having a very hard life (Either that or they'll become managers :-) ) Michael Life’s not a song. Life isn’t bliss. Life is just this. It’s living. -- Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Once more, with feeling
I suppose it is good for us from the point of view that we have to dust the cobwebs out of our brains, but if it's really blatant, I would probably just ignore it (or vote it a 1 :-D )
Deploying a web application without understanding security is roughly equivalent to driving a car without seatbelts - down a slippery road, over a monstrous chasm, with no brakes, and the throttle jammed on full.
Hacking Exposed - Web Applications. Joel Scambray & Mike Shema
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Hi everybody, In the last months, answering programming questions in the forums, I got the feeling that we are more and more "misused" by pupils and undergraduate students to do their homework for them. There are a lot of questions which really do smell like typical homework questions: Could anyone tell me why disabling interupts to achieve mutual exclusion is not acceptable on a multiprocessor sytem? How to change number data from base 256 to base 16? ... Of course it is the job of the teachers and not ours to ensure that they do their homework on their own ;P. And I have no problems helping them if they really tried to do it on their own first - quite the reverse! However, sometimes it looks like that the questioner even did not tried to understand the question, but just posted it to the forum. Shall we really do answer this kind of questions? Do we need a kind of "CodeProject agreement" about handling such cases? -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de (Hey, this page is worth looking! You can find some free and handy NT tools there :-D )
If it is a question that can be answered in a couple of minutes then I'll probably give a response. If it is a homework question, the only loser is the one who asked the question. If they don't get the basic research and learning skills down then they'll end up having a very hard life (Either that or they'll become managers :-) ) Michael Life’s not a song. Life isn’t bliss. Life is just this. It’s living. -- Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Once more, with feeling
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I suppose it is good for us from the point of view that we have to dust the cobwebs out of our brains, but if it's really blatant, I would probably just ignore it (or vote it a 1 :-D )
Deploying a web application without understanding security is roughly equivalent to driving a car without seatbelts - down a slippery road, over a monstrous chasm, with no brakes, and the throttle jammed on full.
Hacking Exposed - Web Applications. Joel Scambray & Mike Shema
Megan Forbes wrote: dust the cobwebs out of our brains hmmm .... are you implying that all us students are of a lesser intelligence than everybody else... tut tut.* *Don't take my spelling as an example!!! :laugh: Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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Megan Forbes wrote: dust the cobwebs out of our brains hmmm .... are you implying that all us students are of a lesser intelligence than everybody else... tut tut.* *Don't take my spelling as an example!!! :laugh: Regards, Brian Dela :-)
Lol - no, (I'm also a student part time :) ), I'm implying that as we get older we forget things sometimes :-D
Deploying a web application without understanding security is roughly equivalent to driving a car without seatbelts - down a slippery road, over a monstrous chasm, with no brakes, and the throttle jammed on full.
Hacking Exposed - Web Applications. Joel Scambray & Mike Shema
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Megan Forbes wrote: dust the cobwebs out of our brains hmmm .... are you implying that all us students are of a lesser intelligence than everybody else... tut tut.* *Don't take my spelling as an example!!! :laugh: Regards, Brian Dela :-)
Brian Delahunty wrote: hmmm .... are you implying that all us students are of a lesser intelligence than everybody else... tut tut.* No, its just as professional developers, we are required not to use our brains! So when we come across a real problem like a homework question, we have to start using those unused brain cells. Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 I have a terminal disease. Its called life!
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Hi everybody, In the last months, answering programming questions in the forums, I got the feeling that we are more and more "misused" by pupils and undergraduate students to do their homework for them. There are a lot of questions which really do smell like typical homework questions: Could anyone tell me why disabling interupts to achieve mutual exclusion is not acceptable on a multiprocessor sytem? How to change number data from base 256 to base 16? ... Of course it is the job of the teachers and not ours to ensure that they do their homework on their own ;P. And I have no problems helping them if they really tried to do it on their own first - quite the reverse! However, sometimes it looks like that the questioner even did not tried to understand the question, but just posted it to the forum. Shall we really do answer this kind of questions? Do we need a kind of "CodeProject agreement" about handling such cases? -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de (Hey, this page is worth looking! You can find some free and handy NT tools there :-D )
I don't feel that whether it's a homework question or not is relevant. I've taught a number of things over the years, and the only thing I really care about is whether or not the person asking the question is truly trying to get it, and willing to do their own work to get there after a little help. I suspect that the same applies around here, whether it's homework or paying work. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Hi everybody, In the last months, answering programming questions in the forums, I got the feeling that we are more and more "misused" by pupils and undergraduate students to do their homework for them. There are a lot of questions which really do smell like typical homework questions: Could anyone tell me why disabling interupts to achieve mutual exclusion is not acceptable on a multiprocessor sytem? How to change number data from base 256 to base 16? ... Of course it is the job of the teachers and not ours to ensure that they do their homework on their own ;P. And I have no problems helping them if they really tried to do it on their own first - quite the reverse! However, sometimes it looks like that the questioner even did not tried to understand the question, but just posted it to the forum. Shall we really do answer this kind of questions? Do we need a kind of "CodeProject agreement" about handling such cases? -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de (Hey, this page is worth looking! You can find some free and handy NT tools there :-D )
I'm pretty sure I helped someone with his homework today, but he'd clearly tried to do it himself, asked politely and generally was not demanding. Under those circumstances I am happy to help people. It's folks who post 'I need the Towers of Hanoi in C by tomorrow' ( true story ) who make me mad, but if someone is trying to learn, the fact that they are at school will not stop me from helping them. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Hi everybody, In the last months, answering programming questions in the forums, I got the feeling that we are more and more "misused" by pupils and undergraduate students to do their homework for them. There are a lot of questions which really do smell like typical homework questions: Could anyone tell me why disabling interupts to achieve mutual exclusion is not acceptable on a multiprocessor sytem? How to change number data from base 256 to base 16? ... Of course it is the job of the teachers and not ours to ensure that they do their homework on their own ;P. And I have no problems helping them if they really tried to do it on their own first - quite the reverse! However, sometimes it looks like that the questioner even did not tried to understand the question, but just posted it to the forum. Shall we really do answer this kind of questions? Do we need a kind of "CodeProject agreement" about handling such cases? -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de (Hey, this page is worth looking! You can find some free and handy NT tools there :-D )
Christopher Duncan wrote: the only thing I really care about is whether or not the person asking the question is truly trying to get it, and willing to do their own work to get there after a little help. Christian Graus wrote: I'm pretty sure I helped someone with his homework today, but he'd clearly tried to do it himself, asked politely and generally was not demanding. Under those circumstances I am happy to help people. It's folks who post 'I need the Towers of Hanoi in C by tomorrow' ( true story ) who make me mad, but if someone is trying to learn, the fact that they are at school will not stop me from helping them. Me wrote: I have no problems helping them if they really tried to do it on their own first - quite the reverse! Seems that we all agree in one point :): If they are willing to put own effort into it, they are welcome. If not, ... -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de (Hey, this page is worth looking! You can find some free and handy NT tools there :-D )
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If it is a question that can be answered in a couple of minutes then I'll probably give a response. If it is a homework question, the only loser is the one who asked the question. If they don't get the basic research and learning skills down then they'll end up having a very hard life (Either that or they'll become managers :-) ) Michael Life’s not a song. Life isn’t bliss. Life is just this. It’s living. -- Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Once more, with feeling
Michael P Butler wrote: If they don't get the basic research and learning skills down then they'll end up having a very hard life (Either that or they'll become managers ) Ah, recruiting them for management! Indeed a solution! :laugh: However, I am still afraid the become developer and you or me is forced to work with them :~ -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de (Hey, this page is worth looking! You can find some free and handy NT tools there :-D )
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Brian Delahunty wrote: hmmm .... are you implying that all us students are of a lesser intelligence than everybody else... tut tut.* No, its just as professional developers, we are required not to use our brains! So when we come across a real problem like a homework question, we have to start using those unused brain cells. Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 I have a terminal disease. Its called life!
lol. I guessed that. ;-) Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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Hi everybody, In the last months, answering programming questions in the forums, I got the feeling that we are more and more "misused" by pupils and undergraduate students to do their homework for them. There are a lot of questions which really do smell like typical homework questions: Could anyone tell me why disabling interupts to achieve mutual exclusion is not acceptable on a multiprocessor sytem? How to change number data from base 256 to base 16? ... Of course it is the job of the teachers and not ours to ensure that they do their homework on their own ;P. And I have no problems helping them if they really tried to do it on their own first - quite the reverse! However, sometimes it looks like that the questioner even did not tried to understand the question, but just posted it to the forum. Shall we really do answer this kind of questions? Do we need a kind of "CodeProject agreement" about handling such cases? -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de (Hey, this page is worth looking! You can find some free and handy NT tools there :-D )
Daniel Lohmann wrote: Do we need a kind of "CodeProject agreement" about handling such cases? I think not. I like helping students, not to be confused with doing their work for them, as it helps to hone my own understanding of various things. But it is a matter of courtesy to other CPians to take the discussion to email if it isn't fairly simple to resolve. It's not all that hard to spot a flake trying to avoid work, and those are simple enough to ignore - they go away shortly. The sincere ones are honestly seeking help, and I have no problem offering mine (for what it's worth). I'd really hate to see a ban on helping with homework imposed on CP. But if the majority feels it necessary, I'll go along with it, and ignore it whenever I feel like it.:) "When in danger, fear, or doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!" - Lorelei and Lapis Lazuli Long