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What's next? A corporate ISA proxy for the entire land of Oz? And I thought our government was being daft....
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What's next? A corporate ISA proxy for the entire land of Oz? And I thought our government was being daft....
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A corporate ISA proxy for the entire land of Oz?
Oh no we have our one and only Senator Conroy, greatest twat south of the equator.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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daveauld wrote:
IT wouldn't stop a zero day 'new' virus, or user stupidity.
Sure but if a connection to an ISP passed the firewall and AV info and forced the user to have them then it would reduce the bots and malware somewhat. I assume this must be a reducing situation as the default on a new PC is to have all this installed and active. And no I don't want to hear from those that actively refuse to have this minimal protection (I know there are some here but this is not aimed at them), if you seriously don't want them then you should be able to work out how to get around the restrictions by spoofing the info in the connection.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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The quacks that float these ideas need to look up the definition of democracy. With these sorts of genius ideas, Australia will soon become a Chinese state.:thumbsdown:
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The quacks that float these ideas need to look up the definition of democracy. With these sorts of genius ideas, Australia will soon become a Chinese state.:thumbsdown:
Democracy? My democratic right to have my malware infested computer connected to the internet?
Steve
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Who decides what constitutes Virus Software. If it's the state you've got to worry about how long new updates would take to be certified. If it's private industry you'd need to know that the people running the show weren't giving preferential treatment to one company over another. One of the best things to happen in the world of AV is that some companies provide software for free. This has led to loads of people using AV software who would never have done so before. The costs of certification may effect these companies' ability to give these versions away. Disconnecting PCs that are infected at an ISP level seems a much more effective plan in my book.
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The quacks that float these ideas need to look up the definition of democracy. With these sorts of genius ideas, Australia will soon become a Chinese state.:thumbsdown:
Maurizio Pisano wrote:
look up the definition of democracy
Bullshot, if you ride a bike in most countries thses days you wear a helmet, cars you wear a seatbelt, so internet you have a firewall and AV.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Who decides what constitutes Virus Software. If it's the state you've got to worry about how long new updates would take to be certified. If it's private industry you'd need to know that the people running the show weren't giving preferential treatment to one company over another. One of the best things to happen in the world of AV is that some companies provide software for free. This has led to loads of people using AV software who would never have done so before. The costs of certification may effect these companies' ability to give these versions away. Disconnecting PCs that are infected at an ISP level seems a much more effective plan in my book.
Russell Jones wrote:
Who decides what constitutes Virus Software
Had to look at that twice, I think there are a number of organisations identifying Virus Software :) , accretiting ANTI Virus could be an issue. I could see existing players making it very difficult for a new player to enter the field. There will always be hurdles to get over, I don;t see this a unsurmountable.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Russell Jones wrote:
Who decides what constitutes Virus Software
Had to look at that twice, I think there are a number of organisations identifying Virus Software :) , accretiting ANTI Virus could be an issue. I could see existing players making it very difficult for a new player to enter the field. There will always be hurdles to get over, I don;t see this a unsurmountable.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
You're so picky! Anyone would think we worked in an industry where precision was important :-O You're right though I meant AV software although a couple of the market leaders in the AV field make you wish you had a virus installed rather than their machine sapping offerings. I've always seen the AV companies as only one small step up from the low-lives who write the malware, I can imagine that their lobbyists would be straight onto whichever quango was running the show and making the case for the smallest market possible.
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Yup, that'll work. But will the eminent gentleman be there to take the flak when granny in Walla Walla can't talk to her grandkids any more because the latest update to the Flash player failed or didn't register properly? And who decides what constitutes a "critical" update? Microsoft? The legions of 14-year-olds in the open-source community? Oh. Silly me. Steve Jobs, of course. Sorry, Mate, but you're baggered, 'cause you ain't installed the latest Scenes of Steve screensaver.
What we need is more Quangos
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Yup, that'll work. But will the eminent gentleman be there to take the flak when granny in Walla Walla can't talk to her grandkids any more because the latest update to the Flash player failed or didn't register properly? And who decides what constitutes a "critical" update? Microsoft? The legions of 14-year-olds in the open-source community? Oh. Silly me. Steve Jobs, of course. Sorry, Mate, but you're baggered, 'cause you ain't installed the latest Scenes of Steve screensaver.
What we need is more Quangos
I specifically didn't mention the updates as I think they are a POS. However firewall and AV with an is current flag or something should be doable.
Mark Wallace wrote:
And who decides what constitutes a "critical" update? Microsoft?
The reason I ignored critical update state in the discussion.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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I specifically didn't mention the updates as I think they are a POS. However firewall and AV with an is current flag or something should be doable.
Mark Wallace wrote:
And who decides what constitutes a "critical" update? Microsoft?
The reason I ignored critical update state in the discussion.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
firewall and AV with an is current flag or something should be doable.
But pointless. Most infections are elective (as in "Yes, let this e-mail/website/installer-from-a-torrent do whatever it likes to my computer". Removing the preview pane (or making it plain text only) from e-mail clients would do a lot more good than an intrusive pull from everyone's computer (the remit of which will likely be extended and extended until it's far past the point of invasion of privacy). Removing or isolating servers that serve infections would be the ultimate deterrent. We should be able to rely on our ISPs to block malware; it's far more logical to scan everything at the ISP level than to waste millions of euros' worth of electricity every day, scanning files on every local machine. Tell them that they'll lose their business if they allow viruses through to their customers, and watch how easy and fast it will suddenly become to implement.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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leppie wrote:
A corporate ISA proxy for the entire land of Oz?
Oh no we have our one and only Senator Conroy, greatest twat south of the equator.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Senator Conroy, greatest twat south of the equator.
No he's not, but I'll give him a 7 for effort. The only thing he's done good lately is accusing Google of being deliberately evil. Senator Conroy (and those who back him up) seem to have forgotten that free-speech, in all its annoying, offensive glory, is not a nice to have in a democracy but the actual foundation of it. Still it looks like his great wall of China will be quietly buried leading up to the election.
If you don't know where you're going then ... you must belong in Project Management.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
firewall and AV with an is current flag or something should be doable.
But pointless. Most infections are elective (as in "Yes, let this e-mail/website/installer-from-a-torrent do whatever it likes to my computer". Removing the preview pane (or making it plain text only) from e-mail clients would do a lot more good than an intrusive pull from everyone's computer (the remit of which will likely be extended and extended until it's far past the point of invasion of privacy). Removing or isolating servers that serve infections would be the ultimate deterrent. We should be able to rely on our ISPs to block malware; it's far more logical to scan everything at the ISP level than to waste millions of euros' worth of electricity every day, scanning files on every local machine. Tell them that they'll lose their business if they allow viruses through to their customers, and watch how easy and fast it will suddenly become to implement.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark Wallace wrote:
and watch how easy and fast it will suddenly become to implement
Your just a cynical old man, how could you think such a thing. Mind you Oz, and others, want to put the onus on the ISP for site filtering and they seem to be dodging that.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Mark Wallace wrote:
and watch how easy and fast it will suddenly become to implement
Your just a cynical old man, how could you think such a thing. Mind you Oz, and others, want to put the onus on the ISP for site filtering and they seem to be dodging that.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Your just a cynical old man
Me?!? Can we just check... Which one of us goes under the name Mycroft Holmes? ;)
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Oz, and others, want to put the onus on the ISP for site filtering and they seem to be dodging that.
Sure they do, because it will cost them a tiny bit of delivery speed, which looks bad in their marketing material -- but how much time is lost at the user end, doing a million times a day what the ISP would only have to do tens of times? Or maybe the saintly Google could scan everything, out of the goodness of its heart, with ISPs giving the option of only delivering material from the Google cache. And how fast is slow? Net speeds are incredible, these days, and only getting better (this "cynical old man" remembers what felt like one-character-per-hour-and-a-half speeds). I'd be perfectly willing to drop back a notch, given the performance improvement I'd get on my local machine from not having to scan everything.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Your just a cynical old man
Me?!? Can we just check... Which one of us goes under the name Mycroft Holmes? ;)
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Oz, and others, want to put the onus on the ISP for site filtering and they seem to be dodging that.
Sure they do, because it will cost them a tiny bit of delivery speed, which looks bad in their marketing material -- but how much time is lost at the user end, doing a million times a day what the ISP would only have to do tens of times? Or maybe the saintly Google could scan everything, out of the goodness of its heart, with ISPs giving the option of only delivering material from the Google cache. And how fast is slow? Net speeds are incredible, these days, and only getting better (this "cynical old man" remembers what felt like one-character-per-hour-and-a-half speeds). I'd be perfectly willing to drop back a notch, given the performance improvement I'd get on my local machine from not having to scan everything.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark Wallace wrote:
which looks bad in their marketing material
I dammed near choked on this one, the speed marketing quote have nothing to do with reality anyway so a minimum slow down would not even be noticed.
Mark Wallace wrote:
Net speeds are incredible, these days
I remember the sweet sound of the handshake when the old dial up was working. The moniker actually comes from The Moon is a Harsh Mistress rather than the original.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH