Microsoft UI rant of the day
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With almost every Windows app I've ever used, Ctrl-Z means undo. If you hit it multiple times it continues to undo until the change history has been exhausted. Just now, I was trying to delete an office-spam email in Outlook. I hit delete and nothing happened. In frustration I hit it a couple of more times. Then, when the server caught up, I ended up deleting several messages. No problem, right? I'll just use my old friend Ctrl-Z. I hit it once, the last deleted email reappears. I hit Ctrl-Z again... The last email gets deleted again. Huh? Continuing to press Ctrl-Z simply undeletes and re-deletes the same message over and over again! I know I can recover the messages from "Deleted Items", but what's the point of making Ctrl-Z work differently? I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
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With almost every Windows app I've ever used, Ctrl-Z means undo. If you hit it multiple times it continues to undo until the change history has been exhausted. Just now, I was trying to delete an office-spam email in Outlook. I hit delete and nothing happened. In frustration I hit it a couple of more times. Then, when the server caught up, I ended up deleting several messages. No problem, right? I'll just use my old friend Ctrl-Z. I hit it once, the last deleted email reappears. I hit Ctrl-Z again... The last email gets deleted again. Huh? Continuing to press Ctrl-Z simply undeletes and re-deletes the same message over and over again! I know I can recover the messages from "Deleted Items", but what's the point of making Ctrl-Z work differently? I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
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With almost every Windows app I've ever used, Ctrl-Z means undo. If you hit it multiple times it continues to undo until the change history has been exhausted. Just now, I was trying to delete an office-spam email in Outlook. I hit delete and nothing happened. In frustration I hit it a couple of more times. Then, when the server caught up, I ended up deleting several messages. No problem, right? I'll just use my old friend Ctrl-Z. I hit it once, the last deleted email reappears. I hit Ctrl-Z again... The last email gets deleted again. Huh? Continuing to press Ctrl-Z simply undeletes and re-deletes the same message over and over again! I know I can recover the messages from "Deleted Items", but what's the point of making Ctrl-Z work differently? I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
I remember an early version of Hotmail where if you delete an email and the page times out, then if you refresh the browser, sometimes (not all the time), you end up deleting another mail too. Happened to me a few times. I was on 14.4 Kbps dial-up back then.
Regards, Nish
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With almost every Windows app I've ever used, Ctrl-Z means undo. If you hit it multiple times it continues to undo until the change history has been exhausted. Just now, I was trying to delete an office-spam email in Outlook. I hit delete and nothing happened. In frustration I hit it a couple of more times. Then, when the server caught up, I ended up deleting several messages. No problem, right? I'll just use my old friend Ctrl-Z. I hit it once, the last deleted email reappears. I hit Ctrl-Z again... The last email gets deleted again. Huh? Continuing to press Ctrl-Z simply undeletes and re-deletes the same message over and over again! I know I can recover the messages from "Deleted Items", but what's the point of making Ctrl-Z work differently? I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
melchizedek wrote:
I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
In RAD Studio 2009 (Delphi), Ctrl-Y does nothing, it's not assigned to anything that I can see! Ctrl-Z is undo, but is sporadic in behaviour. To redo in this POS IDE, you hit Ctrl-Shift-Z :|
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.
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melchizedek wrote:
I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
You'll get spam from the future OR You'll doom us all
JHizzle wrote:
You'll doom us all
Most likely scenario. As an aside, I now have the "Doom song" from Invader Zim in my head. Thanks.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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JHizzle wrote:
You'll doom us all
Most likely scenario. As an aside, I now have the "Doom song" from Invader Zim in my head. Thanks.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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With almost every Windows app I've ever used, Ctrl-Z means undo. If you hit it multiple times it continues to undo until the change history has been exhausted. Just now, I was trying to delete an office-spam email in Outlook. I hit delete and nothing happened. In frustration I hit it a couple of more times. Then, when the server caught up, I ended up deleting several messages. No problem, right? I'll just use my old friend Ctrl-Z. I hit it once, the last deleted email reappears. I hit Ctrl-Z again... The last email gets deleted again. Huh? Continuing to press Ctrl-Z simply undeletes and re-deletes the same message over and over again! I know I can recover the messages from "Deleted Items", but what's the point of making Ctrl-Z work differently? I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
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With almost every Windows app I've ever used, Ctrl-Z means undo. If you hit it multiple times it continues to undo until the change history has been exhausted. Just now, I was trying to delete an office-spam email in Outlook. I hit delete and nothing happened. In frustration I hit it a couple of more times. Then, when the server caught up, I ended up deleting several messages. No problem, right? I'll just use my old friend Ctrl-Z. I hit it once, the last deleted email reappears. I hit Ctrl-Z again... The last email gets deleted again. Huh? Continuing to press Ctrl-Z simply undeletes and re-deletes the same message over and over again! I know I can recover the messages from "Deleted Items", but what's the point of making Ctrl-Z work differently? I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
This is when action stacks go wrong. Action - Download Email Action - Delete Email Action - Delete Email Action - Undo Delete Email Up until you hit undo you have a good stack going. Problem is that Undo itself adds to the stack, where it should add to the redo stack
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With almost every Windows app I've ever used, Ctrl-Z means undo. If you hit it multiple times it continues to undo until the change history has been exhausted. Just now, I was trying to delete an office-spam email in Outlook. I hit delete and nothing happened. In frustration I hit it a couple of more times. Then, when the server caught up, I ended up deleting several messages. No problem, right? I'll just use my old friend Ctrl-Z. I hit it once, the last deleted email reappears. I hit Ctrl-Z again... The last email gets deleted again. Huh? Continuing to press Ctrl-Z simply undeletes and re-deletes the same message over and over again! I know I can recover the messages from "Deleted Items", but what's the point of making Ctrl-Z work differently? I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
melchizedek wrote:
y Ctrl-Y
That will undo the undo, thus bringing back the deleted mail to the inbox, in which, as a deleted mail, it would be transfered to the deleted items directory. Unless you hit Ctrl-Z. In that case, the deleted mail that you brought back using Ctrl-Y would be redeleted again, and ablaakg jwiehfiwh hgaaarrrrgggggg..... :rolleyes:
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With almost every Windows app I've ever used, Ctrl-Z means undo. If you hit it multiple times it continues to undo until the change history has been exhausted. Just now, I was trying to delete an office-spam email in Outlook. I hit delete and nothing happened. In frustration I hit it a couple of more times. Then, when the server caught up, I ended up deleting several messages. No problem, right? I'll just use my old friend Ctrl-Z. I hit it once, the last deleted email reappears. I hit Ctrl-Z again... The last email gets deleted again. Huh? Continuing to press Ctrl-Z simply undeletes and re-deletes the same message over and over again! I know I can recover the messages from "Deleted Items", but what's the point of making Ctrl-Z work differently? I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
Actually, this is the intended function. Because you just undid something. What's the next logical step, you undo, what you just undid. Thus you can only have two actions available now: undo your latest error and undo what you just undid, leaving you with the begin situation where you wanted to undo your mistake. Circular logic works because...
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With almost every Windows app I've ever used, Ctrl-Z means undo. If you hit it multiple times it continues to undo until the change history has been exhausted. Just now, I was trying to delete an office-spam email in Outlook. I hit delete and nothing happened. In frustration I hit it a couple of more times. Then, when the server caught up, I ended up deleting several messages. No problem, right? I'll just use my old friend Ctrl-Z. I hit it once, the last deleted email reappears. I hit Ctrl-Z again... The last email gets deleted again. Huh? Continuing to press Ctrl-Z simply undeletes and re-deletes the same message over and over again! I know I can recover the messages from "Deleted Items", but what's the point of making Ctrl-Z work differently? I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
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That one annoys me as I'm always pressing that thinking it's for find. I think (but not certain) it used to be for find back in outlook 2000.
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With almost every Windows app I've ever used, Ctrl-Z means undo. If you hit it multiple times it continues to undo until the change history has been exhausted. Just now, I was trying to delete an office-spam email in Outlook. I hit delete and nothing happened. In frustration I hit it a couple of more times. Then, when the server caught up, I ended up deleting several messages. No problem, right? I'll just use my old friend Ctrl-Z. I hit it once, the last deleted email reappears. I hit Ctrl-Z again... The last email gets deleted again. Huh? Continuing to press Ctrl-Z simply undeletes and re-deletes the same message over and over again! I know I can recover the messages from "Deleted Items", but what's the point of making Ctrl-Z work differently? I wonder what will happen if I try Ctrl-Y?
Notepad is another common app that has the same behaviour. Not that I use Notepad.... Ctrl+F for forward makes me mad. I managed to get used to F4, but they also changed Find Again - it's not F3 but apparently Shift+F4.
Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)
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1: I hate you. 2: Now I hate you AND have Journey in my head. 3: I hate you. That is all. ;P
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Actually, this is the intended function. Because you just undid something. What's the next logical step, you undo, what you just undid. Thus you can only have two actions available now: undo your latest error and undo what you just undid, leaving you with the begin situation where you wanted to undo your mistake. Circular logic works because...
KenBonny wrote:
Actually, this is the intended function. Because you just undid something.
I disagree, not every action should be recorded in the Memento-pattern. The fact that there's a redo-option indicates that the Memento was the desired pattern; if the functionality was intended as you describe, then there wouldn't have been a redo-option - that would be redundant. I'm guessing that it's a hideous bug and that the Memento has been short-circuited :)
I are Troll :suss:
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Notepad is another common app that has the same behaviour. Not that I use Notepad.... Ctrl+F for forward makes me mad. I managed to get used to F4, but they also changed Find Again - it's not F3 but apparently Shift+F4.
Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Notepad is another common app that has the same behaviour
Is it because these apps have only one level of undo and no redo?
Kevin