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  • J josda1000

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/galland9.1.1.html[^] About the debt crisis, why it hasn't gone away, and why gold/silver are still so important.

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    Christian Graus
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    Most of this seems like a smart article. Too bad the guy tacks such dumb comments about gold at the end. Gold is a metal. It has inherent value only because we agree it has. The limited supply makes it different to money, I agree. But it is just as able to drop in value as money is, because it's value is just as tenuous and just as reliant on the person you want to give it to, agreeing with you that it has a value that it has for no other reason than happening to be gold. It's not the same as, say, a car, which has a value based on what it does. Gold doesn't do anything.

    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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      If you have any leftover wealth after buying food, water, and ammo, then you want to invest it in gold and silver. Look at history before you disregard gold and silver. Those with gold and silver still have their money after the chaos is over.

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      Christian Graus
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      Damn - I was almost dumb enough to bother replying to this drivel. Narrow escape.

      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        Most of this seems like a smart article. Too bad the guy tacks such dumb comments about gold at the end. Gold is a metal. It has inherent value only because we agree it has. The limited supply makes it different to money, I agree. But it is just as able to drop in value as money is, because it's value is just as tenuous and just as reliant on the person you want to give it to, agreeing with you that it has a value that it has for no other reason than happening to be gold. It's not the same as, say, a car, which has a value based on what it does. Gold doesn't do anything.

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        CaptainSeeSharp
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        Then don't invest in gold.

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          Then don't invest in gold.

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          Christian Graus
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          There's no reason to think gold is a BAD investment, and it's value climbs in times of uncertainty. But it only has value because people agree it does. It has no real value, that is, not to cover what people pay for it.

          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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            There's no reason to think gold is a BAD investment, and it's value climbs in times of uncertainty. But it only has value because people agree it does. It has no real value, that is, not to cover what people pay for it.

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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            CaptainSeeSharp
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            It is a good medium of exchange and a safe store of wealth, as is silver. Paper is not a safe store of wealth.

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              It is a good medium of exchange and a safe store of wealth, as is silver. Paper is not a safe store of wealth.

              Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]

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              Lost User
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              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

              It is a good medium of exchange and a safe store of wealth, as is silver.

              Ah, the bleat of the golden fleeced. It would depend upon the type of society you were to find yourself in, following the collapse of this civilization.

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                I'm not a pizza delivery guy, I've never done that in my life. I am a Software Engineer, and a Chef. http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/green-building-news/pre-copenhagen-eus-near-zero-directives-pledges-us-and-china-new-code[^]

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                Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                Ok so you didnt get the job delivering pizza, better luck next time. Plagerism off a web site does not make you a software engineer, niether does flipping burgers make you a chef. You are a complete waste of oxygen, the world does not need you and would be better off without you, your obnoxious abusive posts will not be missed, and frankly the average IQ of your state would increase without you. oh and a message from Ron Paul - "Please stop supporting me you are managing to destroy all i am working for, your support is discrediting all the important ideas I am trying to get across"

                You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start

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                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  It is a good medium of exchange and a safe store of wealth, as is silver.

                  Ah, the bleat of the golden fleeced. It would depend upon the type of society you were to find yourself in, following the collapse of this civilization.

                  Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.

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                  Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                  you can imagine him as a corpse surrounded by gold that no one will accept for food (well actually he would still be unlikely to have any gold even if it became virtually worthless based on his worth to society)

                  You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start

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                    It is a good medium of exchange and a safe store of wealth, as is silver. Paper is not a safe store of wealth.

                    Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]

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                    Christian Graus
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                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                    and a safe store of wealth, as is silver

                    Only if the people around you assume it has wealth. The Mayans, for example, had a successful society that did not regard gold highly at all. They are not the only society to be bemused when coming in contact with the West, and seeing how we value it. One thing is for sure - if gold holds it's value because it has value, traditionally, there is no reason to assume that the same should not also be true for money, in fact, the argument for gold and for cash holding value to the degree that they do today, are basically the same, and neither is more or less tenuous than the other. The gold standard was tenuous when it was removed, b/c not enough gold was held then to actually back it up. The US was off the gold standard long before it was a conscious decision.

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                      you can imagine him as a corpse surrounded by gold that no one will accept for food (well actually he would still be unlikely to have any gold even if it became virtually worthless based on his worth to society)

                      You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start

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                      Christian Graus
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                      Yes, his zero chance of having gold is one of the more amusing things about all of this.

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        and a safe store of wealth, as is silver

                        Only if the people around you assume it has wealth. The Mayans, for example, had a successful society that did not regard gold highly at all. They are not the only society to be bemused when coming in contact with the West, and seeing how we value it. One thing is for sure - if gold holds it's value because it has value, traditionally, there is no reason to assume that the same should not also be true for money, in fact, the argument for gold and for cash holding value to the degree that they do today, are basically the same, and neither is more or less tenuous than the other. The gold standard was tenuous when it was removed, b/c not enough gold was held then to actually back it up. The US was off the gold standard long before it was a conscious decision.

                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                        RichardM1
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                        Here Here :beer: People only believe in what they believe in, and that is a moving target!

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                          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                          and a safe store of wealth, as is silver

                          Only if the people around you assume it has wealth. The Mayans, for example, had a successful society that did not regard gold highly at all. They are not the only society to be bemused when coming in contact with the West, and seeing how we value it. One thing is for sure - if gold holds it's value because it has value, traditionally, there is no reason to assume that the same should not also be true for money, in fact, the argument for gold and for cash holding value to the degree that they do today, are basically the same, and neither is more or less tenuous than the other. The gold standard was tenuous when it was removed, b/c not enough gold was held then to actually back it up. The US was off the gold standard long before it was a conscious decision.

                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                          CaptainSeeSharp
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                          Obviously the world today considers Gold and Silver as wealth or they would not be buying it, and central banks would not have vaults full of it.

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                            Obviously the world today considers Gold and Silver as wealth or they would not be buying it, and central banks would not have vaults full of it.

                            Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]

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                            Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                            note the words "the world today" as these same banks have vaults full of paper money too, yet by your own argument the world is not as it is today it has changed in such a way as to make paper money worthless and what everyone is trying to tell you is that if that happened then gold and silver may go the same way (actually silver has more uses so would likely keep its value better than gold in a colapse) oh and by the way gold is far easier to counterfeit than paper, when gold/silver coinage was in use it was found that less than 20% was at the purity level of new minted the rest was either under weight or watered down (5% lead added to gold is undetectable with out specialised asseying)

                            You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start

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                              note the words "the world today" as these same banks have vaults full of paper money too, yet by your own argument the world is not as it is today it has changed in such a way as to make paper money worthless and what everyone is trying to tell you is that if that happened then gold and silver may go the same way (actually silver has more uses so would likely keep its value better than gold in a colapse) oh and by the way gold is far easier to counterfeit than paper, when gold/silver coinage was in use it was found that less than 20% was at the purity level of new minted the rest was either under weight or watered down (5% lead added to gold is undetectable with out specialised asseying)

                              You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start

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                              CaptainSeeSharp
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                              They create the paper money, and use that to control us and take real wealth away from us.

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                                Obviously the world today considers Gold and Silver as wealth or they would not be buying it, and central banks would not have vaults full of it.

                                Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]

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                                Christian Graus
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                                No argument from me. The point is, there's no reason they have to, in the future. No different to cash, except that gold has real world uses that mean it will keep SOME value, to SOME people. But, not anything like the value it has today.

                                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                  They create the paper money, and use that to control us and take real wealth away from us.

                                  Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]

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                                  Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                  They create the paper money, and use that to control us and take real wealth away from us everyone else.

                                  FIFY being as you have no wealth and are extreamly unlikely to ever have any.

                                  You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start

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