I Hate Surveys
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Christian Graus wrote:
American's insane view of guns
Very well said. :)
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
[My articles]You guys just fell about halfway down on my respect scale.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
You guys just fell about halfway down on my respect scale.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001On the bright side, I had a glorious past in that scale. :-D
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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How about that, http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3529051/Re-PERFECT-CITIZEN-program-places-sensors-througho.aspx[^] Just to be clear, I'm not accusing you of falling into the "loop" that I mentioned in my Backroom post, but you can see something similar happening here. Of course the NRA members are going to answer no, it is self reinforcing, I'd take issue with the final two: Do you support the passage of a new law which would hold gun owners criminally responsible if their gun is used in a crime, even if the gun is stolen?
Is this really the case? I doubt such a law would stand, in the UK we have shotgun licensing (mainly to weed out nutters from getting shotguns) anyone who doesn't secure their guns correctly gets spanked (and the cabinets are checked yearly). If someone hasn't taken reasonable measures to secure their guns, then they deserve criminal actions. Do you agree with anti-gun extremists who claim that gun registration, gun owner licensing, closing gun shows, and outright gun bans would help prevent future terrorist attacks on our nation?
"anti-gun extremists" is pejorative. How is this an extreme position? Restricting access to guns probably would help, but this needs to be matched against personal freedoms. The benefit in a pure counter-terrorist sense must be pretty small as they can get the guns by other means. I doubt anyone would argue for gun registration solely on the grounds of counter-terrorism, and if they do they should be rightly flamed. There are other good arguments for a degree of registration (if only to weed out nutters like the UK). I really (honestly) don't understand the US citizenry's attachment to this amendment. I can understand the historical reasons why it is there, but who are you all bearing arms against? It puzzles me why is it considered reasonable to garner an arsenal of weapons (not just guns), and why would you need such a thing? Are the Canadians really that scary :-) ?ragnaroknrol The Internet is For Porn[
Keith Barrow wrote:
I can understand the historical reasons why it is there, but who are you all bearing arms against?
If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it. The framers saw the problem with disarming the public - a disarmed public is reduced to being subjects (instead of citizens) with no ability to defend themselves against any threat - be it criminal activity or an overstepping government.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Keith Barrow wrote:
I can understand the historical reasons why it is there, but who are you all bearing arms against?
If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it. The framers saw the problem with disarming the public - a disarmed public is reduced to being subjects (instead of citizens) with no ability to defend themselves against any threat - be it criminal activity or an overstepping government.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
a disarmed public is reduced to being subjects (instead of citizens) with no ability to defend themselves against any threat - be it criminal activity or an overstepping government.
That is everyone should own a tractor, to defend himself against farmers blackmail :rolleyes:
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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Keith Barrow wrote:
I can understand the historical reasons why it is there, but who are you all bearing arms against?
If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it. The framers saw the problem with disarming the public - a disarmed public is reduced to being subjects (instead of citizens) with no ability to defend themselves against any threat - be it criminal activity or an overstepping government.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
overstepping government
Tell me, when if the US government overstepped and had military support, what weapons could the general public have the would equal the weaponery of the government?
Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real Programmers don't need comments -- the code is obvious.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
overstepping government
Tell me, when if the US government overstepped and had military support, what weapons could the general public have the would equal the weaponery of the government?
Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real Programmers don't need comments -- the code is obvious.
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I used to be a member of the NRA, but chose not to renew my membership (more on that later). As it so often happens, joining a politically-motivated organization like the NRA, you tend to get bombarded with junk mail. and yesterday, I got NRA junk mail in the form of a survey from the NRA (the 2010 National Gun Owner's Action Survey). Picture this... the NRA sending a survey about gun ownership to gun owners. You already know how those gun owners are going to respond to questions like this (my answers are in parenthesis): Do you think the government should be allowed to store personal information on you just because you are a gun owner? (NO) Do you think the government should have the power to limit the number of guns you can purchase? (NO) Do you support the passage of a new law which would hold gun owners criminally responsible if their gun is used in a crime, even if the gun is stolen? (NO) Do you agree with anti-gun extremists who claim that gun registration, gun owner licensing, closing gun shows, and outright gun bans would help prevent future terrorist attacks on our nation? (NO) These are just SOME of the questions in the survey. Notice the last one, too. It starts out by saying "anti-gun extremists". They didn't have to include that to get the answer they were after. Surveys that are self-serving are a waste of time. They should be surveying a cross-section of the country - not JUST gun owners - if they want tangible results. Their final question was asking if I want to join the NRA, to which I answered NO. The reason is that I don't feel that they represent *MY* 2nd amendment concerns, namely the support of open-carry legislation in Texas. We're one of 6 states that don't allow open-carry (even California allows it). When they step up to the plate on that, then I'll reconsider membership. (In the interest of completeness, the Texas State Rifle Association isn't endorsing or proposing an open-carry legislation either, so I'm not a member there, either.)
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2I don't take survey's unless I get something out of it immediately. What difference is it to have companies do to just have the government or other companies buy it? Privacy is a bit of a joke since you don't have any privacy in the private sector from other citizens or corporate ones. I don't know what you think of concealed weapons laws, but they aren't a panacea of crime prevention, interception, etc. Take this situation for example http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20060729&slug=webshooting29m1[^]. The guy in question was a little loose in the head and shot up the place. Motive can change and so can the actors, but the play is still repeated. They have open carry where I live. It reminds me of the old west six shooters. I think its funny to see. Then again I don't feel like I need a gun to feel safe in the world. I've heard a great many excuses for doing all kinds of things, just to make someone feel safer about some situation. Bottom line is you're going to die sometime and there is nothing you can do about it. Being afraid of your fellow man coming to get you that much is quite astounding paranoia and a distraction from all the things that can be fixed that are caused by man.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Keith Barrow wrote:
I can understand the historical reasons why it is there, but who are you all bearing arms against?
If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it. The framers saw the problem with disarming the public - a disarmed public is reduced to being subjects (instead of citizens) with no ability to defend themselves against any threat - be it criminal activity or an overstepping government.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
a disarmed public is reduced to being subjects (instead of citizens)
Never owned a gun, and probably never will. Here in the UK that makes me a citizen not a criminal (with the exception of sport hunting, which is a minority sport here). As for arming the public to defend against an overstepping government! Most of the westwern world is ruled by democratic government systems, and so any overstepping government is removed in the next elections. There are countries where members of the public take up guns to fight the government. These are called dictatorships, and if the gun toting maniacs do take over they become anarchies. Defence against criminal activity is more like it, however we have had quite a few gun related killings in recent years. Guess what, most the 'victims' were also criminals. The others were just caught in the cross fire, like that guy recently, inocently standing near a drug dealer at two in the morning ... hmm... Guns! I wouldn't trust most people with a piece of string!
If you have knowledge, let others light their candles at it. Margaret Fuller (1810 - 1850) [My Articles] [My Website]
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
a disarmed public is reduced to being subjects (instead of citizens)
Never owned a gun, and probably never will. Here in the UK that makes me a citizen not a criminal (with the exception of sport hunting, which is a minority sport here). As for arming the public to defend against an overstepping government! Most of the westwern world is ruled by democratic government systems, and so any overstepping government is removed in the next elections. There are countries where members of the public take up guns to fight the government. These are called dictatorships, and if the gun toting maniacs do take over they become anarchies. Defence against criminal activity is more like it, however we have had quite a few gun related killings in recent years. Guess what, most the 'victims' were also criminals. The others were just caught in the cross fire, like that guy recently, inocently standing near a drug dealer at two in the morning ... hmm... Guns! I wouldn't trust most people with a piece of string!
If you have knowledge, let others light their candles at it. Margaret Fuller (1810 - 1850) [My Articles] [My Website]
Had a guy (lived a few doors away) killed in front of my old house at 1 am in a thunder storm. Family sent letter say what a saint he was and did anyone have information on what happened. Now I am more likely to hear gun fire as some nut is shooting an animal.
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You guys just fell about halfway down on my respect scale.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001Will you shoot them?
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How about that, http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3529051/Re-PERFECT-CITIZEN-program-places-sensors-througho.aspx[^] Just to be clear, I'm not accusing you of falling into the "loop" that I mentioned in my Backroom post, but you can see something similar happening here. Of course the NRA members are going to answer no, it is self reinforcing, I'd take issue with the final two: Do you support the passage of a new law which would hold gun owners criminally responsible if their gun is used in a crime, even if the gun is stolen?
Is this really the case? I doubt such a law would stand, in the UK we have shotgun licensing (mainly to weed out nutters from getting shotguns) anyone who doesn't secure their guns correctly gets spanked (and the cabinets are checked yearly). If someone hasn't taken reasonable measures to secure their guns, then they deserve criminal actions. Do you agree with anti-gun extremists who claim that gun registration, gun owner licensing, closing gun shows, and outright gun bans would help prevent future terrorist attacks on our nation?
"anti-gun extremists" is pejorative. How is this an extreme position? Restricting access to guns probably would help, but this needs to be matched against personal freedoms. The benefit in a pure counter-terrorist sense must be pretty small as they can get the guns by other means. I doubt anyone would argue for gun registration solely on the grounds of counter-terrorism, and if they do they should be rightly flamed. There are other good arguments for a degree of registration (if only to weed out nutters like the UK). I really (honestly) don't understand the US citizenry's attachment to this amendment. I can understand the historical reasons why it is there, but who are you all bearing arms against? It puzzles me why is it considered reasonable to garner an arsenal of weapons (not just guns), and why would you need such a thing? Are the Canadians really that scary :-) ?ragnaroknrol The Internet is For Porn[
Keith Barrow wrote:
Do you agree with anti-gun extremists who claim that gun registration, gun owner licensing, closing gun shows, and outright gun bans would help prevent future terrorist attacks on our nation?
I would rephrase it: As a gun nuts, do you agree with anti-gun extremists....
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I'm moving this to the soapbox 2.0, because I already moved one post about guns there this morning, and because posts about American's insane view of guns always end up in controversy. All surveys are bogus, they are created to generate data to support a desired conclusion more often than not, and that's certainly the case for an organisation as nuts as the NRA.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
How about posts that trash barbaric America because it hasn't confiscated all guns the way enlightened Australia has?
The practical reason for freedom is that freedom seems to be the only condition under which any kind of substantial moral fiber can be developed — we have tried law, compulsion and authoritarianism of various kinds, and the result is nothing to be proud of. ~ Albert Jay Nock
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I don't take survey's unless I get something out of it immediately. What difference is it to have companies do to just have the government or other companies buy it? Privacy is a bit of a joke since you don't have any privacy in the private sector from other citizens or corporate ones. I don't know what you think of concealed weapons laws, but they aren't a panacea of crime prevention, interception, etc. Take this situation for example http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20060729&slug=webshooting29m1[^]. The guy in question was a little loose in the head and shot up the place. Motive can change and so can the actors, but the play is still repeated. They have open carry where I live. It reminds me of the old west six shooters. I think its funny to see. Then again I don't feel like I need a gun to feel safe in the world. I've heard a great many excuses for doing all kinds of things, just to make someone feel safer about some situation. Bottom line is you're going to die sometime and there is nothing you can do about it. Being afraid of your fellow man coming to get you that much is quite astounding paranoia and a distraction from all the things that can be fixed that are caused by man.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
wolfbinary wrote:
Being afraid of your fellow man coming to get you that much is quite astounding paranoia and a distraction from all the things that can be fixed that are caused by man.
Wow, what a paradoxical statement. Government is made of people, they command subordinates to enforce their wishes on mankind with absolute force if necessary. That is a reason to be afraid of your fellow man. Another reason, people are animals just like the rest of life on this planet. Some like Ted Bundy or Stalin like to kill poeple. Mao killed 80 million people in a short amount of time. WHen someone comes to rape your wife or drag you away to be murdered, you would like to be able to instantly pop him dead with the pull of a trigger.
Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
overstepping government
Tell me, when if the US government overstepped and had military support, what weapons could the general public have the would equal the weaponery of the government?
Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real Programmers don't need comments -- the code is obvious.
Whats keeping us from winning the Afghan war? Our high tech weaponry isn't as useful when the enemy is in plain clothing, going about their daily routines.
Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]
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How about that, http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3529051/Re-PERFECT-CITIZEN-program-places-sensors-througho.aspx[^] Just to be clear, I'm not accusing you of falling into the "loop" that I mentioned in my Backroom post, but you can see something similar happening here. Of course the NRA members are going to answer no, it is self reinforcing, I'd take issue with the final two: Do you support the passage of a new law which would hold gun owners criminally responsible if their gun is used in a crime, even if the gun is stolen?
Is this really the case? I doubt such a law would stand, in the UK we have shotgun licensing (mainly to weed out nutters from getting shotguns) anyone who doesn't secure their guns correctly gets spanked (and the cabinets are checked yearly). If someone hasn't taken reasonable measures to secure their guns, then they deserve criminal actions. Do you agree with anti-gun extremists who claim that gun registration, gun owner licensing, closing gun shows, and outright gun bans would help prevent future terrorist attacks on our nation?
"anti-gun extremists" is pejorative. How is this an extreme position? Restricting access to guns probably would help, but this needs to be matched against personal freedoms. The benefit in a pure counter-terrorist sense must be pretty small as they can get the guns by other means. I doubt anyone would argue for gun registration solely on the grounds of counter-terrorism, and if they do they should be rightly flamed. There are other good arguments for a degree of registration (if only to weed out nutters like the UK). I really (honestly) don't understand the US citizenry's attachment to this amendment. I can understand the historical reasons why it is there, but who are you all bearing arms against? It puzzles me why is it considered reasonable to garner an arsenal of weapons (not just guns), and why would you need such a thing? Are the Canadians really that scary :-) ?ragnaroknrol The Internet is For Porn[
Keith Barrow wrote:
outright gun bans would help prevent future terrorist attacks on our nation?
What's actually humorous about that to me is that I can't remember the last terrorist attack that used a gun. They seem to prefer explosives.
The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.
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Opinion Polls[^] Classic!
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That's exactly what crossed my mind when I was reading Simmons's post!
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Whats keeping us from winning the Afghan war? Our high tech weaponry isn't as useful when the enemy is in plain clothing, going about their daily routines.
Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]
But, there is no war in Afghanistan. It's just for show. Pay attention!
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
overstepping government
Tell me, when if the US government overstepped and had military support, what weapons could the general public have the would equal the weaponery of the government?
Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real Programmers don't need comments -- the code is obvious.
Sheer numbers would probably be enough. There are man more citizens than there are troops, and I'd bet that many of the federal troops would be reluctant to fire on citizens. Beyond that, tell me how successful Russia or the US have been in Afghanistan. The insurgents there use AK-47's and stolen heavier weapons (like RPGs) and are using guerrilla tactics exclusively. Seems to me that a conventional fighting force can't possibly win a war like that. Look at what happened to the French and the US in Vietnam as evidence.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
a disarmed public is reduced to being subjects (instead of citizens)
Never owned a gun, and probably never will. Here in the UK that makes me a citizen not a criminal (with the exception of sport hunting, which is a minority sport here). As for arming the public to defend against an overstepping government! Most of the westwern world is ruled by democratic government systems, and so any overstepping government is removed in the next elections. There are countries where members of the public take up guns to fight the government. These are called dictatorships, and if the gun toting maniacs do take over they become anarchies. Defence against criminal activity is more like it, however we have had quite a few gun related killings in recent years. Guess what, most the 'victims' were also criminals. The others were just caught in the cross fire, like that guy recently, inocently standing near a drug dealer at two in the morning ... hmm... Guns! I wouldn't trust most people with a piece of string!
If you have knowledge, let others light their candles at it. Margaret Fuller (1810 - 1850) [My Articles] [My Website]
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. wrote:
There are countries where members of the public take up guns to fight the government.
You mean like America?
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. wrote:
These are called dictatorships, and if the gun toting maniacs do take over they become anarchies.
Yeah just like it happened in America - big dictatorship that we are.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
overstepping government
Tell me, when if the US government overstepped and had military support, what weapons could the general public have the would equal the weaponery of the government?
Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real Programmers don't need comments -- the code is obvious.
Steven J Jowett wrote:
Tell me, when if the US government overstepped and had military support, what weapons could the general public have the would equal the weaponery of the government?
Are you kidding? There are 200 MILLION guns in private hands in this country, and a military that's made up of just under 3 million volunteers, at least half of which I suspect would switch sides immediately. God forbid it ever happens. But if the worst did happen, it would be over in a matter of hours.
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