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  • L Lost User

    What was MS thinking when they created The .NET Compiler ? Man , the .NET Exe file can be easily disassemble :( and Don't tell me about The Blah ,Blah Obfuscated Code , My Cat can crack it :-\ :~

    I know nothing , I know nothing ...

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    Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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    People that worry about their code being recompiled are worrying about the wrong things. I seriously doubt Apple would care if you managed to completely reverse engineer and steal there iStore for iTunes or whatever it is called because you would not be able to steal their market share or business model. And that, is what is important. Most software that can be thought of as needing real protection from decompiling can actually be protected by patents, trademarks, and DMCA suits.

    Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me

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    • D DaveyM69

      This should be posted in the Lounge as it's not a C# question.

      Dave

      If this helped, please vote & accept answer!

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      Lost User
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      Thank you , My thought ( Would Lounge know what is the IL code ? )

      I know nothing , I know nothing ...

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      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

        People that worry about their code being recompiled are worrying about the wrong things. I seriously doubt Apple would care if you managed to completely reverse engineer and steal there iStore for iTunes or whatever it is called because you would not be able to steal their market share or business model. And that, is what is important. Most software that can be thought of as needing real protection from decompiling can actually be protected by patents, trademarks, and DMCA suits.

        Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me

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        Lost User
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        Thank you ( Very convincing replay ) :rose:

        I know nothing , I know nothing ...

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          Maybe they were thinking "this would be a nice way to get more support for 64bit" or maybe "this would make it easier to support new instruction sets in old programs without recompiling them" but if they were thinking that they should think again, it's true of course but they are still using the FP stack instead of SSE registers.

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          Lost User
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          Thanks , I hate 64 bit things :rose:

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          • L Lost User

            Thank you , My thought ( Would Lounge know what is the IL code ? )

            I know nothing , I know nothing ...

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            DaveyM69
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            Most would, but I get your point. It was more of a statement/comment than a question IMO, if meant as a question then the .NET Framework forum would have been the correct place. I didn't mean it personally hence not downvoting your post :thumbsup: [Edit: unlike others I see :sigh: )

            Dave

            If this helped, please vote & accept answer!

            Binging is like googling, it just feels dirtier. Please take your VB.NET out of our nice case sensitive forum.(Pete O'Hanlon)
            BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)

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              Most would, but I get your point. It was more of a statement/comment than a question IMO, if meant as a question then the .NET Framework forum would have been the correct place. I didn't mean it personally hence not downvoting your post :thumbsup: [Edit: unlike others I see :sigh: )

              Dave

              If this helped, please vote & accept answer!

              Binging is like googling, it just feels dirtier. Please take your VB.NET out of our nice case sensitive forum.(Pete O'Hanlon)
              BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)

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              Keith Barrow
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              I didn't downvote, but there is a certain "lives-under-a-bridge waiting for goats" smell around the OP....

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              • L Lost User

                What was MS thinking when they created The .NET Compiler ? Man , the .NET Exe file can be easily disassemble :( and Don't tell me about The Blah ,Blah Obfuscated Code , My Cat can crack it :-\ :~

                I know nothing , I know nothing ...

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                Sir Dot Net
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                Is it really that different than disassembling a native executable? No matter what language it's in, or how it's compiled, it can be broken down and analyzed. My thoughts are, put a bit of money/effort in to disuade 'casual' disassemblers, and that's probably enough. Anyone who cares enough can crack any application.

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                • L Lost User

                  What was MS thinking when they created The .NET Compiler ? Man , the .NET Exe file can be easily disassemble :( and Don't tell me about The Blah ,Blah Obfuscated Code , My Cat can crack it :-\ :~

                  I know nothing , I know nothing ...

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                  Pete OHanlon
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                  More likely they were thinking that they should provide a unifying environment where you can write programs in a language of your choice, and get access to common features in the same way regardless of the language. This environment should be independent of the operating system and should provide a modern object oriented development experience. Obfuscation has never really been part of this roadmap, and is not really relevant to most corporate developments which value speed of development.

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                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                    People that worry about their code being recompiled are worrying about the wrong things. I seriously doubt Apple would care if you managed to completely reverse engineer and steal there iStore for iTunes or whatever it is called because you would not be able to steal their market share or business model. And that, is what is important. Most software that can be thought of as needing real protection from decompiling can actually be protected by patents, trademarks, and DMCA suits.

                    Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me

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                    5!

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                    • L Lost User

                      What was MS thinking when they created The .NET Compiler ? Man , the .NET Exe file can be easily disassemble :( and Don't tell me about The Blah ,Blah Obfuscated Code , My Cat can crack it :-\ :~

                      I know nothing , I know nothing ...

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                      Super Lloyd
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                      Mushrooms! :-D

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                      • S Sir Dot Net

                        Is it really that different than disassembling a native executable? No matter what language it's in, or how it's compiled, it can be broken down and analyzed. My thoughts are, put a bit of money/effort in to disuade 'casual' disassemblers, and that's probably enough. Anyone who cares enough can crack any application.

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                        Sir Dot Net wrote:

                        Is it really that different than disassembling a native executable?

                        Yes it is, you can't just Reflect a compiled C++ program and reproduce the source code the way you can with .NET IL.

                        Sir Dot Net wrote:

                        No matter what language it's in, or how it's compiled, it can be broken down and analyzed.

                        Indeed, but MS have made it particularly easy with .NET IL.

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                        • H hairy_hats

                          Sir Dot Net wrote:

                          Is it really that different than disassembling a native executable?

                          Yes it is, you can't just Reflect a compiled C++ program and reproduce the source code the way you can with .NET IL.

                          Sir Dot Net wrote:

                          No matter what language it's in, or how it's compiled, it can be broken down and analyzed.

                          Indeed, but MS have made it particularly easy with .NET IL.

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                          Lost User
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                          It's about as easy as for Java

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                          • L Lost User

                            It's about as easy as for Java

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                            hairy_hats
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                            Java's not a native executable, it's also intermediate code.

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                              Mushrooms! :-D

                              A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                              hairy_hats
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                              Badger badger badger badger badger badger badger

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                              • H hairy_hats

                                Java's not a native executable, it's also intermediate code.

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                                Lost User
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                                Yes. Exactly. Are you trying to disagree? ;P

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                                • L Lost User

                                  Yes. Exactly. Are you trying to disagree? ;P

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                                  hairy_hats
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                                  Are you here for the five minute argument or the full half hour? ;P

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                                    Are you here for the five minute argument or the full half hour? ;P

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                                    Lost User
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                                    Shorter. You said this:

                                    viaducting wrote:

                                    Indeed, but MS have made it particularly easy with .NET IL.

                                    I said it's about as easy as Java, as if to say that it's neither special nor new, which doesn't even actually disagree with the point you're making, it's just the kind of useless remark that people here would expect from me. :laugh: See? All done. No disagreement in sight. I'll go do something useful now.. for 5 minutes or so, then TF2 again :)

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