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  • R RichardM1

    This is an attack on someone's beliefs, and should probably not be in the lounge. Just because I don't agree with crop circle's 'healing powers' doesn't protect it less.

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    R Giskard Reventlov
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    RichardM1 wrote:

    This is an attack on someone's beliefs, and should probably not be in the lounge.

    Not so sure about that: when what someone believes in is demonstrably and factually nonsense it isn't really an attack: it's more like pointing out that they are a suitable case for treatment. :-)

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      Aren't they the maniacs who were taunting the Japanese whalers and got a borrowed trimaran seriously damaged/scuttled?

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      _Damian S_ wrote:

      damaged/scuttled

      Chopped in two/sunk. By cutting in front of another ship. I appreciate their willingness to die for their cause. They should get on with it. :rolleyes:

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        _Damian S_ wrote:

        thought it was about "how could someone who is educated possibly believe in such a thing"...

        Absolutely. Sorry - it is a contextual thing. I should really have posted "How come people still believe in crop circles?"

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        Dalek Dave
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        _Maxxx_ wrote:

        I should really have posted "How come people still believe in crop circles?"

        Because they exist, see here[^], as you can see they do exist. Why do you deny the existance of these things?

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          Roger Wright wrote:

          that all of them have been

          Tornados. Europe has quite a few small Tornadoes. They often just touch the gound and die. On a field of wheat you end up with a crop circle. Of course all the complex ones are man made. And probably most of the small circular ones are too.

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          If you want to go to the Tornado Capital of the world, come to England. England has more tornados per Square Mile in a Year than any other country in the world.

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            peterchen wrote:

            WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM?

            Jeez - no need to shout! I'm not seriously bothered about my boy believing in crop circles or not - he told us a while ago that he doesn't believe in God - he thinks Santa probably made everything (I just typo'd that as Satan!!!!!) You misunderstood that my concern was that she'd teach the boy that crop circles are drawn by aliens (or whatever) - that's not the thing that bothered me - I was genuinely surprised that there were apparently sane humans that still believed in crop circles when they are so obviously and demonstrably pranks.

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            Jorgen Andersson
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            _Maxxx_ wrote:

            I was genuinely surprised that there were apparently sane humans that still believed in crop circles when they are so obviously and demonstrably pranks.

            Well, the whole Mormon church was started as from a prank

            "When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert

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              What's actually the differency with Christian, Jew, Moslim, Hindu, Bhoedism... believes? People just want to believe in unexplainable things, despite science already provided an explanation. Granted, crop circles are weird, but IMHO not weirder then normal believe, just less socially accepted. :-D

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              Dalek Dave
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              Nothing's Inexplicable, Merely Unexplained.

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                _Maxxx_ wrote:

                But I'm still kinda concerned that someone who (IMHO) is close to being certifiable is allowed to be in charge of children!

                I was taught by monks in a Benedictine Monastary School for 2 years. Dont worry, your son wont be any more damaged than most of the rest of us ;)

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                fat_boy wrote:

                was taught by monks in a Benedictine Monastary School for 2 years. Dont worry, your son wont be any more damaged than most of the rest of us

                Was that supposed to calm him down :-)

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                • R R Giskard Reventlov

                  RichardM1 wrote:

                  This is an attack on someone's beliefs, and should probably not be in the lounge.

                  Not so sure about that: when what someone believes in is demonstrably and factually nonsense it isn't really an attack: it's more like pointing out that they are a suitable case for treatment. :-)

                  "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                  RichardM1
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                  If you gave me the 1, thank you for leaving a comment [serious].

                  digital man wrote:

                  Not so sure about that: when what someone believes in is demonstrably and factually nonsense

                  That is what a lot of people say about all religion. We've been down the path showing religious arguments go to the back room or soap box, haven't we? It does not help that there was a direct comparison between believing in it and Catholicism as being comparable conditions regarding your suitability for teaching children.

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                    Found out the other day that my son's teacher's assistant (let's call her Anne) has gone on hols for four weeks to the UK, so he has a substitute teacher for four weeks. Fair enough. The email informing us then went on to say that, if we wished to subscribe to Anne's email newsletter about crop circles, to contact her. The Wife(tm) tells me that she (Anne) is a crop circle 'fan' and believes in their healing powers, amongst other things. I was both astonished and horrified. Surely Crop circles are completely proven to be man-made? People making them have filmed themselves, and shown how it was done? How can a sane person believe in their mystical powers?? And she's teaching my Boy! The Wife(tm) did point out that it's only like being taught by someone who's Catholic (for example) - fine as long as they don't preach to the kids. But I'm still kinda concerned that someone who (IMHO) is close to being certifiable is allowed to be in charge of children! your thoughts?

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                    RichardM1
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                    _Maxxx_ wrote:

                    a crop circle 'fan' and believes in their healing powers, amongst other things. [snip] Surely Crop circles are completely proven to be man-made?

                    I believe in the healing power of Excedrin Extra Strength, and also that it is proven to be man made. Surely you don't think EVERYTHING we do is bad?

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                    • J Jorgen Andersson

                      fat_boy wrote:

                      was taught by monks in a Benedictine Monastary School for 2 years. Dont worry, your son wont be any more damaged than most of the rest of us

                      Was that supposed to calm him down :-)

                      "When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert

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                      :) Well, I didnt end up a Catholic. In fact the reverse. Kids arent stupid. Very often given an example like this batty womman who believes in aliens and the such his son will end up with a healthy view on such matters. As did I in respect of the Church. (Bunch of sick hypocrits basically :) )

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                      • D Dalek Dave

                        If you want to go to the Tornado Capital of the world, come to England. England has more tornados per Square Mile in a Year than any other country in the world.

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                        I have heard this, but never verifed it. Do you have any proof at all?

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                          peterchen wrote:

                          WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM?

                          Jeez - no need to shout! I'm not seriously bothered about my boy believing in crop circles or not - he told us a while ago that he doesn't believe in God - he thinks Santa probably made everything (I just typo'd that as Satan!!!!!) You misunderstood that my concern was that she'd teach the boy that crop circles are drawn by aliens (or whatever) - that's not the thing that bothered me - I was genuinely surprised that there were apparently sane humans that still believed in crop circles when they are so obviously and demonstrably pranks.

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                          peterchen
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                          _Maxxx_ wrote:

                          Jeez - no need to shout!

                          Well, sorry :-O Maybe I just resent the high expectations to teachers a bit to intensely. They are just teachers, but often they are treated as they were the only people repsonsible for raising our children.

                          _Maxxx_ wrote:

                          I was genuinely surprised that there were apparently sane humans that still believed in crop circles when they are so obviously and demonstrably pranks

                          I think that weird beliefs "run the family". Even our brightest minds are totally mistaken on some topics, and in a very few cases, the lunatics are right.

                          _Maxxx_ wrote:

                          he thinks Santa probably made everything (I just typo'd that as Satan!!!!!)

                          Maybe he just mixed them up, too ;)

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                          • D Dalek Dave

                            I believe in Crop Circles! I have seen them with my own eyes. I am not thick. They undoubtedly exist.

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                            hairy_hats
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                            Dalek Dave wrote:

                            I believe in Crop Circles! I have seen them with my own eyes.

                            Then it is not belief, it is knowledge.

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                              Norm .net wrote:

                              I saw a crop circle (live)

                              What does a dead one look like? :confused:

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                              NormDroid
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                              Ah I mean in the the flesh, so to speak, not in a newpaper or internet.

                              Two heads are better than one.

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                                I have heard this, but never verifed it. Do you have any proof at all?

                                Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                Dalek Dave
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                                Second Paragraph.[^] The Netherlands has the highest average number of recorded tornadoes per area of any country (more than 20, or 0.0013 per sq mi (0.00048 per km²), annually),[citation needed] followed by the UK (around 33, or 0.00035 per sq mi (0.00013 per km²), per year),[3][4] but most are small and cause minor damage. In absolute number of events, ignoring area, the UK experiences more tornadoes than any other European country. So we are second in the world for density, and the top in europe for number.

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                                  I have heard this, but never verifed it. Do you have any proof at all?

                                  Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                  RichardM1
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                                  Look at all the crop circles...

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                                    Found out the other day that my son's teacher's assistant (let's call her Anne) has gone on hols for four weeks to the UK, so he has a substitute teacher for four weeks. Fair enough. The email informing us then went on to say that, if we wished to subscribe to Anne's email newsletter about crop circles, to contact her. The Wife(tm) tells me that she (Anne) is a crop circle 'fan' and believes in their healing powers, amongst other things. I was both astonished and horrified. Surely Crop circles are completely proven to be man-made? People making them have filmed themselves, and shown how it was done? How can a sane person believe in their mystical powers?? And she's teaching my Boy! The Wife(tm) did point out that it's only like being taught by someone who's Catholic (for example) - fine as long as they don't preach to the kids. But I'm still kinda concerned that someone who (IMHO) is close to being certifiable is allowed to be in charge of children! your thoughts?

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                                    Caslen
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                                    Sorry to burst your happy little bubble but teachers are in fact human. Just like politicians, priests, policemen, CPians and the rest they have amongst their number wife beaters, child abusers, junkies, murderers, thieves, adulterers, liars and cheats. I should consider yourself lucky that she gets her kicks sitting in a field at midnight in the hope she doesn't get brain cancer.

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                                    • C Christian Graus

                                      I know what you mean, but, I read a book recently called 'why smart people believe dumb things'. Odds are that apart from this stupidity, she is perfectly sane and capable of teaching your child. My wife, for example, believes in ghosts.

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                                      Christian Graus wrote:

                                      ghosts

                                      I do as well, always better to have a backup of your data.

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        Found out the other day that my son's teacher's assistant (let's call her Anne) has gone on hols for four weeks to the UK, so he has a substitute teacher for four weeks. Fair enough. The email informing us then went on to say that, if we wished to subscribe to Anne's email newsletter about crop circles, to contact her. The Wife(tm) tells me that she (Anne) is a crop circle 'fan' and believes in their healing powers, amongst other things. I was both astonished and horrified. Surely Crop circles are completely proven to be man-made? People making them have filmed themselves, and shown how it was done? How can a sane person believe in their mystical powers?? And she's teaching my Boy! The Wife(tm) did point out that it's only like being taught by someone who's Catholic (for example) - fine as long as they don't preach to the kids. But I'm still kinda concerned that someone who (IMHO) is close to being certifiable is allowed to be in charge of children! your thoughts?

                                        ___________________________________________ .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                                        _Maxxx_ wrote:

                                        I was both astonished and horrified. Surely Crop circles are completely proven to be man-made? People making them have filmed themselves, and shown how it was done? How can a sane person believe in their mystical powers??

                                        Many magical schools believe in the healing and other powers of man made symbols. Voodoo is probably one of the oldest, using simple lines drawn in sand. Think how much more powerful huge lines drawn in crops are. :suss:

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                                        • D Dalek Dave

                                          Second Paragraph.[^] The Netherlands has the highest average number of recorded tornadoes per area of any country (more than 20, or 0.0013 per sq mi (0.00048 per km²), annually),[citation needed] followed by the UK (around 33, or 0.00035 per sq mi (0.00013 per km²), per year),[3][4] but most are small and cause minor damage. In absolute number of events, ignoring area, the UK experiences more tornadoes than any other European country. So we are second in the world for density, and the top in europe for number.

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                                          Ah, so you actually proved yourself wrong: "England has more tornados per Square Mile in a Year than any other country in the world" "So we are second in the world for density" And what was it you were saying about never being wrong? :)

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