The technical muscle behind WikiLeaks
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Was discombobulated for a moment there; looks like the new BBC[^] web site - wonder who stole the design from who!
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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IIRC they're hosted in Sweden which provides absolute protection to journalist leaks; so short of every country outside of sweden growing it's own national firewall to block them I don't think much can be done unless the paranoid running the site burns all the hosting money on his constant movement from one location to the next.
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IIRC they're hosted in Sweden which provides absolute protection to journalist leaks; so short of every country outside of sweden growing it's own national firewall to block them I don't think much can be done unless the paranoid running the site burns all the hosting money on his constant movement from one location to the next.
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Dan Neely wrote:
IIRC they're hosted in Sweden which provides absolute protection to journalist leaks; so short of every country outside of sweden growing it's own national firewall to block them I don't think much can be done unless the paranoid running the site burns all the hosting money on his constant movement from one location to the next.
However, because it is international, leaking information to the website is the deliberate leaking of information to a foreign government. Unlike previous leaks that leaked to American Interests and then those companies leaked them internationally (the second protected by freedom of press), the person leaking that data cannot in this case claim innocence to the leak to foreign governments which carries much harsher penalties.....
_________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....
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Dan Neely wrote:
IIRC they're hosted in Sweden which provides absolute protection to journalist leaks; so short of every country outside of sweden growing it's own national firewall to block them I don't think much can be done unless the paranoid running the site burns all the hosting money on his constant movement from one location to the next.
However, because it is international, leaking information to the website is the deliberate leaking of information to a foreign government. Unlike previous leaks that leaked to American Interests and then those companies leaked them internationally (the second protected by freedom of press), the person leaking that data cannot in this case claim innocence to the leak to foreign governments which carries much harsher penalties.....
_________________________ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others." Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....
True and the most likely culprit, because he's boasted of leaking a pile of other classified stuff to wikileaks, has already been arrested and is waiting trial for the first item of his that was published; but the fact that we can stomp on the leakers once caught won't allow us to do anything about the leaks themselves because hosting the material is legal where the servers are. Even stomping on the leaker becomes pointless beyond a certain point; the marginal impact of additional counts of unauthorized access to classified systems and release of classified data to unauthorized persons is meaningless once you're talking about ~90k counts of each. De facto life in Levenworth is de facto life in Levenworth afterall.
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True and the most likely culprit, because he's boasted of leaking a pile of other classified stuff to wikileaks, has already been arrested and is waiting trial for the first item of his that was published; but the fact that we can stomp on the leakers once caught won't allow us to do anything about the leaks themselves because hosting the material is legal where the servers are. Even stomping on the leaker becomes pointless beyond a certain point; the marginal impact of additional counts of unauthorized access to classified systems and release of classified data to unauthorized persons is meaningless once you're talking about ~90k counts of each. De facto life in Levenworth is de facto life in Levenworth afterall.
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"Even stomping on the leaker becomes pointless beyond a certain point" Hmmm.. I disagree. There is a difference between killing a man as punishment and killing a man and putting his head on a spike outside the castle walls. Sure, the guy is dead either way, but...
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"Even stomping on the leaker becomes pointless beyond a certain point" Hmmm.. I disagree. There is a difference between killing a man as punishment and killing a man and putting his head on a spike outside the castle walls. Sure, the guy is dead either way, but...
I voted 5 to balance out the 1 vote. I expect that it's the mental imagery that got the 1 vote. At least I hope it to be a correct expectation. This statement, while not necessarily "politically correct" is a correct accessment and therefore deserves not to die a miserable death. While I agree that there should be transparency in government, some actions on individuals is reckless and irresponsible. This particular diclosure fits that categorization. Feel free to vote me down to oblivion for thinking this but it it what it is and as a former US Marine who's done his time in hostile environments, it's crap like this that makes me very irate.
Mike Poz
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IIRC they're hosted in Sweden which provides absolute protection to journalist leaks; so short of every country outside of sweden growing it's own national firewall to block them I don't think much can be done unless the paranoid running the site burns all the hosting money on his constant movement from one location to the next.
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Nothing will happen to them in the US either, unless they were complicit in taking the information. The Federal courts, back during the Pentagon Papers days (Vietnam), stated that although it was illegal to take the documents (i.e.; Daniel Ellsworth), it was not illegal for the newspaper (Washington Post) to possess and publish them as long as they were not involved with the actual theft. This is way the gov'ment is so pee'd off - Even if the WikiLeak site was hosted in Washington DC, there ain't squat they can do.
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I voted 5 to balance out the 1 vote. I expect that it's the mental imagery that got the 1 vote. At least I hope it to be a correct expectation. This statement, while not necessarily "politically correct" is a correct accessment and therefore deserves not to die a miserable death. While I agree that there should be transparency in government, some actions on individuals is reckless and irresponsible. This particular diclosure fits that categorization. Feel free to vote me down to oblivion for thinking this but it it what it is and as a former US Marine who's done his time in hostile environments, it's crap like this that makes me very irate.
Mike Poz
Get a grip man - the outrage by the government over the leaks is nothing to do with actual security issues in the field (wikileaks even took the effort to redact personal information in the files) and everything to do with how they are lying to the public about the REAL progress of this long war. Of course they're mad - the leaks show that their pretty stories about how "successful" the war is going are pretty much fantasy.
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Get a grip man - the outrage by the government over the leaks is nothing to do with actual security issues in the field (wikileaks even took the effort to redact personal information in the files) and everything to do with how they are lying to the public about the REAL progress of this long war. Of course they're mad - the leaks show that their pretty stories about how "successful" the war is going are pretty much fantasy.
I've got a firm grip thank you very much, however I question your grip. You have no idea what's in the documents so you are *assuming* that there aren't any security issues. How many thousands of pages were leaked and how many more are coming? The focus of the press (as always) is on a few select "morally outrageous" issues that were part of the full disclosure, but the nature of the press is to go for the most outrage (outrage sells papers and online news subscriptions), and they have a tendency to gloss over the stuff that they want to ignore, including all the successful stuff, and I'd be willing to go out on a limb that there are tidbits of information scattered throughout those leaked documents that do constitute security issues. When you've read every page and verified that there aren't security concerns (locations of various posts, names of informants, etc.), then you can ride your high horse into the sunset, but until you do...
Mike Poz
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If it's present on the Internet for even an hour, it's there for eternity. One way or another, it'll live.
Totally true. We are living in an age where pretty much everything gets out there. Governments just spin the resulting info. I suspect its a good thing in the long run as it will be harder for governments to do unethical things in the "national interest" which is usually code for some special interest group like oil companies etc. America made the UN as an equal voting body and it has come to hurt them. America made the internet and it is coming to hurt them too. Both are democratizations. Chomsky pointed out the internet was a democratization of information and when ever there is a democratisation of anything the powers that be reign it in using the law. But with the internet vested interests are struggling to reign it in, while its still free its good. Why don't the military learn from this and just publish these reports (sanitized of informers names) after 12 months anyway. Enough of my ramblings
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If the government would stop "subsidizing" Bill Gates and install Linux-based systems (or IBM mainframes), you wouldn't have so much hacking of government computers. Best is to never allow external access (or internet) to the servers containing sensitive data. Also, implement strict auditing and security. In addition, ANY employee (government, temp, etc.) should be dismissed and face jail time - minimally 1 year. If information leaked has repercussions such as endangering the lives of our military (in this case), then life in prison - minimally.