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Dalek Dave wrote:
300 yards and a 4" grouping is the acceptable standard for the British Army.
Nah, walking 280 yards and then shooting is not an option for John. :rolleyes:
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I was a machinegunner in the Swedish army. And we had admittedly lower standards. 100 yards and 6" would have been quite acceptable - on full automatic fire.
"When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert
Shya, right.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
At 100 yards, I'm putting rounds into about a 6-inch circle
That's not going to be much good against the fast moving asteroid now is it John - I'm glad I'm not relying on you to save planet Earth. If you could do this as 100,000,000 miles that would be a more practical solution.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
That's not going to be much good against the fast moving asteroid now is it John
Well, I figure it'll be coming right at us. If I can see it, I can shoot it. Granted, it probably won't do any good, but I'll go down trying instead of pissing myself and crying out about how unfair life is.
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Is the 6 inch circle moving? Impressive though.
No, but the the wind was blowing.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
At 100 yards, I'm putting rounds into about a 6-inch circle
If you are a thief planning to burgle John's house, you now know you need to get to 100 yards from his house after making this daring robbery. If a stray bullet still doesnt hit you, you will be lucky. All the best!
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Abhinav S wrote:
If you are a thief planning to burgle John's house, you now know you need to get to 100 yards from his house after making this daring robbery.
Actually, the chances are pretty good that you won't make it out of the house, but if you do somehow manage to make it off my property, you're free to go and consider yourself lucky enough to have a good chance at winning the next lottery drawing, so buy a ticket. For those that are saying a 6-inch circle at 100 yards ain't that great, consider that if I'm aiming at center mass on a human target, a 6-inch circle is still gonna be a hit. That's "good enough" in my book. The REAL trick is hitting a moving target.
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Shya, right.
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Went to the range with my new rifle. At 100 yards, I'm putting rounds into about a 6-inch circle. I am officially ready for the upcoming revolution (or the approaching 2012 asteroid - whichever comes first).
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001Sweet! :-D
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Abhinav S wrote:
If you are a thief planning to burgle John's house, you now know you need to get to 100 yards from his house after making this daring robbery.
Actually, the chances are pretty good that you won't make it out of the house, but if you do somehow manage to make it off my property, you're free to go and consider yourself lucky enough to have a good chance at winning the next lottery drawing, so buy a ticket. For those that are saying a 6-inch circle at 100 yards ain't that great, consider that if I'm aiming at center mass on a human target, a 6-inch circle is still gonna be a hit. That's "good enough" in my book. The REAL trick is hitting a moving target.
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
For those that are saying a 6-inch circle at 100 yards ain't that great, consider that if I'm aiming at center mass on a human target, a 6-inch circle is still gonna be a hit.
So the 'ring-position' will save the man from your fire (note: I'm not going to perform myself the experiment). :-D
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Went to the range with my new rifleshotgun.
FTFY. ;P I did better than that with a .22 Lee Ennfield in my teens - no fancy sights either.
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I do better with my .22 as well. Not as heavy, high-quality ammo (I shoot silhouette competitions on a semi-regular basis), and a more than 12-inch longer sight plane, not to mention much better sights (replaced the ones that came on the rifle). At 50 yards offhand with my lever-action .22 (with a 20-inch barrel), I can shoot a 1-inch group offhand with iron sights. At 100 yards, it opens up to 3 inches, mostly because even the slightest breeze can disrupt a standard velocity .22 round. I know this is going to sound like just a bunch of excuses, but consider... 0) On the rifle we're talking about right now (an AR-15), you have to remember it's brand new, and made on an assembly line. If I was looking for a target rifle, I could easily have built one myself, and probably spent twice as much money while doing so. Considering this one cost me $1300, I'm not interested in building one myself because I know how I am about using only the best parts. 1) The weapon is a carbine with a 16-inch M4 profile barrel, and is intended for shorter range work. The cartridge itself (5.56 NATO) is good out to about 550 yards. Given the configuration of the rifle, the rifle simply isn't capable of shooting well at extended distances without being "massaged". 2) We're talking factory sights (the rear one is polymer, and I *think* the front one is twised a little to the left), and I don't really trust its reliability, especially when the receiver heats up and starts affecting the body of the sight. I could gain 6 or 7 inches of sight plane if I moved the front sight to the tip of the barrel, but that would cost a minimum of $150 to implement, and I'm still evaluating whether or not I want to do that. I will definitely be replacing the rear sight. 3) I would probably have to get a different barrel to make it much more accurate. Considering the intended purpose of the rifle, a new barrel of the appropriate configuration (longer and a having a different profile - known as a "bull" barrel) would add at least 1 to 3 pounds of weight to the business end of the rifle, thus defeating it's intended purpose - a lighter weight rifle intended for relatively fast and close-in combat (urban warfare). I certainly don't want to lug a 10-point rifle around with four more inches of barrel. In the end, a rifle of this configuration would essentially become a spray-n-pray weapon at antything much more than 100-150 yards. If you want a sniper rifle, buy one, but don't expect an un-modified AR-15 carbine to be able to fill those kinds
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Surely you must admin that it would be quite an acceptable accomplishment with a machinegun! :)
"When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert
That would be an accomplishment at 25 yards with a standard-issue combat rifle on full-auto, but a "standard" achieved by a lot of people? I think not.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
That's not going to be much good against the fast moving asteroid now is it John
Well, I figure it'll be coming right at us. If I can see it, I can shoot it. Granted, it probably won't do any good, but I'll go down trying instead of pissing myself and crying out about how unfair life is.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001modified on Monday, August 2, 2010 9:07 AM
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
it probably won't do any good
If you were a Geordie though, you'd headbutt it for spilling your pint.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
it probably won't do any good
If you were a Geordie though, you'd headbutt it for spilling your pint.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
:)
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100 yards 6" Have you ever tried practising? 300 yards and a 4" grouping is the acceptable standard for the British Army.
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Have you ever done this? On 400 meters the AK47 foresight looks quite bigger than the man figure target. On 300 yards the situation won’t be better – you can hit the target with a short burst or with a single shot but grouping in one spot, which you are not even able to see and which is far smaller than your foresight? Sorry but I don’t believe this.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
100 yards 6" Have you ever tried practising?
I don't think it's all that bad given the weather conditions - 100 degrees, about 80% humidity, and windy - and the fact that's it's a brand new weapon (that is most definitely not a target rifle) that hasn't been broken in yet, and I was using bulk ammo. Besides that, I'm using iron sights with 55-year old eyes, and was shooting offhand (I can barely even see the bullseye at that distance). I think a 6-inch circle at 100 yards is damn respectable.
Dalek Dave wrote:
300 yards and a 4" grouping is the acceptable standard for the British Army.
I bet they don't have a bunch of 55-year olds qualifying for marksmanship either. I don't think I'd even be able to SEE the target at 300 yards without a scope. The freakin 9 ring is a 3-inch circle and I can barely make that out at 100 yards.
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001Given those 'Conditions' I concur that it was, in fact, a good bit of shooting!
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Have you ever done this? On 400 meters the AK47 foresight looks quite bigger than the man figure target. On 300 yards the situation won’t be better – you can hit the target with a short burst or with a single shot but grouping in one spot, which you are not even able to see and which is far smaller than your foresight? Sorry but I don’t believe this.
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British Army never uses AK47's, for a start you couldn't hit a barn door at 30 paces, and they spray about too wildly. No, the AK47 is for Goat Herders. I used one of these[^], a standard issue 7.62 slr. I also used one of these[^], an SA80 assault rifle, but it was not as accurate. I also fired one of these[^], standard issue SMG. (Incidentally this was also used by Imperial Stormtroopers...see here[^], they stuck a few plastic bits on for effect.
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Went to the range with my new rifle. At 100 yards, I'm putting rounds into about a 6-inch circle. I am officially ready for the upcoming revolution (or the approaching 2012 asteroid - whichever comes first).
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001First, congrats for the new toy and second what are the differences between AR-15 and M4, in a first glance they look exactly the same?
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British Army never uses AK47's, for a start you couldn't hit a barn door at 30 paces, and they spray about too wildly. No, the AK47 is for Goat Herders. I used one of these[^], a standard issue 7.62 slr. I also used one of these[^], an SA80 assault rifle, but it was not as accurate. I also fired one of these[^], standard issue SMG. (Incidentally this was also used by Imperial Stormtroopers...see here[^], they stuck a few plastic bits on for effect.
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I have idea what British army uses but this is nothing to do with my question.
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British Army never uses AK47's, for a start you couldn't hit a barn door at 30 paces, and they spray about too wildly. No, the AK47 is for Goat Herders. I used one of these[^], a standard issue 7.62 slr. I also used one of these[^], an SA80 assault rifle, but it was not as accurate. I also fired one of these[^], standard issue SMG. (Incidentally this was also used by Imperial Stormtroopers...see here[^], they stuck a few plastic bits on for effect.
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Alot of that depends whose factory they came out of. The Finns produce AK's that perform similarly to current generation western military assault/battle rifles out of the box. They also cost about as much as an M4gery/etc.
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British Army never uses AK47's, for a start you couldn't hit a barn door at 30 paces, and they spray about too wildly. No, the AK47 is for Goat Herders. I used one of these[^], a standard issue 7.62 slr. I also used one of these[^], an SA80 assault rifle, but it was not as accurate. I also fired one of these[^], standard issue SMG. (Incidentally this was also used by Imperial Stormtroopers...see here[^], they stuck a few plastic bits on for effect.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
No, the AK47 is for Goat Herders.
The accuracy of a *well-made* AK will rival its counterparts. The cheap sh*t is like anything else. You get what you pay for.
Dalek Dave wrote:
I used one of these[^], a standard issue 7.62 slr.
Hmm, I bet it's got a 20-inch barrel. Mine's only 16. By that very fact, it won't be as accurate once you get out at/beyond 100 yards.
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First, congrats for the new toy and second what are the differences between AR-15 and M4, in a first glance they look exactly the same?
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Well, in essence (and generally speaking), they are the same. The AR-15 is the civilian version of the M4 (also known as the M16A2). The only real difference is that the M4 is capable of fully automatic fire. Different manufacturers provide variations on the theme, and you can even build one from the ground up in any configuration you want - collapsible stock (or not), 14, 16, 18, or 20 inch barrels in either m4 or "bull" profiles, with your choice of furniture (the stock, grip(s), and handguard), not to mention trigger groups, bolts, firing pins, charging handles, optics and iron sights, flash suppressors, and even silencers. You can even have your entire gun "dipped" to apply a camo pattern, again, of your choice. It's almost like building a kit car, and can range from $500 all the way up to really big bucks. Premium match-grade barrels go for $500 or more. The top-dollar optics approach $1500. Receivers start at $150 and go up from there $700. If you want to have your rifle cam dipped, expect to pay a minimum of $350 for the entire gun.
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