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  • I Ian Shlasko

    Heh, so true... "A general protection error 0E occurred in [random memory location]" (Meaning: some script kiddie on IRC just sent your Win95 box an ICMP 139, and you forgot to turn on your firewall) Ahh, memories... Nowadays, we just have: "There was a problem with your application, and it needed to close." Yeah, thanks. That was really helpful. I'll just call tech support and tell them that there's "a problem," and I'm SURE they'll know exactly how to fix it.

    Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
    Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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    Microsoft early IDEs used to crack me up: "An unknown error has occurred" - if it's that unknown, how do you know it's an error? No, please, don't crash out and trash all my work. Oh, you did.:mad:

    Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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      Microsoft early IDEs used to crack me up: "An unknown error has occurred" - if it's that unknown, how do you know it's an error? No, please, don't crash out and trash all my work. Oh, you did.:mad:

      Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.

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      Hey, genius idea for a movie plot... Lunatic hooks up a bomb to a Windows 95 machine... The bomb control software is written in VB6. You have to go through a configuration screen to disarm, but if your computer BSODs, it explodes :)

      Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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      • I Ian Shlasko

        Hey, genius idea for a movie plot... Lunatic hooks up a bomb to a Windows 95 machine... The bomb control software is written in VB6. You have to go through a configuration screen to disarm, but if your computer BSODs, it explodes :)

        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
        Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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        Nah...the ending is way to easy to guess. 30 second after he starts, *BANG* (and *BANG* again, in case zombies are involved.)

        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          Microsoft early IDEs used to crack me up: "An unknown error has occurred" - if it's that unknown, how do you know it's an error? No, please, don't crash out and trash all my work. Oh, you did.:mad:

          Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.

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          And on top of it they ask "Send the error report to Microsoft.", as if they are just waiting to get the error report and providing you quick fix of so called "Unknown Error"

          WJFK (Write Just for Kicks)

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            Nah...the ending is way to easy to guess. 30 second after he starts, *BANG* (and *BANG* again, in case zombies are involved.)

            Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.

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            Hmm... How about a virus that turns the user into a zombie if his computer crashes? The world would be overrun in a matter of hours.

            Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
            Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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            • T The Digital Worm

              And on top of it they ask "Send the error report to Microsoft.", as if they are just waiting to get the error report and providing you quick fix of so called "Unknown Error"

              WJFK (Write Just for Kicks)

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              I always assumed they asked "send an error report" just to get the gullible peoples email addresses. Are you telling me they actually meant to fix problems? 'Cause they never fixed any I reported during Beta testing in the DOS days...

              Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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              • T The Digital Worm

                And on top of it they ask "Send the error report to Microsoft.", as if they are just waiting to get the error report and providing you quick fix of so called "Unknown Error"

                WJFK (Write Just for Kicks)

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                Ian Shlasko
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                "Send Error to Microsoft" = "cat error.txt > /dev/null"

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                • I Ian Shlasko

                  Hmm... How about a virus that turns the user into a zombie if his computer crashes? The world would be overrun in a matter of hours.

                  Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                  Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                  If its a computer virus then please make sure the manufacturer is not Microsoft, else we will be having buggy zombies everywhere.

                  WJFK (Write Just for Kicks)

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                  • S Steven J Jowett

                    ...don't you just love them? They add challenges to your life.

                    Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real Programmers don't need comments -- the code is obvious.

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                    I blame managers. Personally, I like displaying the raw message from Exceptions. But I usually get overruled and have to output, An Error has occurred. Of course, I do also write to the event log the real error message.

                    Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                    • I Ian Shlasko

                      Hmm... How about a virus that turns the user into a zombie if his computer crashes? The world would be overrun in a matter of hours.

                      Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                      Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                      Isn't that what VB is for? :laugh:

                      Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        I always assumed they asked "send an error report" just to get the gullible peoples email addresses. Are you telling me they actually meant to fix problems? 'Cause they never fixed any I reported during Beta testing in the DOS days...

                        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.

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                        The Digital Worm
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                        Actually the were busy creating Windows (a buggy one) when you reported DOS errors :laugh:

                        WJFK (Write Just for Kicks)

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                        • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                          Yeah, I prefer the error messages that cut right to the chase. For example:

                          Your program sucks and therefore has crashed. Please advise the programmer to seek other employment.

                          CQ de W5ALT

                          Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                          Yusuf
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                          Walt Fair, Jr. wrote:

                          Your program sucks and therefore has crashed. Please advise the programmer to seek other employment.

                          I bet that would have reduced the noise for gimmi codz... ;P

                          Yusuf May I help you?

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                          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                            I blame managers. Personally, I like displaying the raw message from Exceptions. But I usually get overruled and have to output, An Error has occurred. Of course, I do also write to the event log the real error message.

                            Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                            The Digital Worm
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                            My application gives a user friendly message on screen and a more precise inner exception is emailed to support team with detailed information of application and user. This is practically not possible for products created for wide user groups.

                            WJFK (Write Just for Kicks)

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                            • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                              I blame managers. Personally, I like displaying the raw message from Exceptions. But I usually get overruled and have to output, An Error has occurred. Of course, I do also write to the event log the real error message.

                              Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                              Yusuf
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                              Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                              Of course, I do also write to the event log the real error message.

                              Huh, Also too write full exception to the event log, also in all my application, I add email notification so, when something gets screwed, I get notified. Recently, I was integrating our app with another companies up. They kept sending me some bullshit data and the app would freak out. I handled all cases graceful, wrote what was happing to my log files, wrote the exception to event log and showed decent error pages [No technical messages]. The IT kept insisting I open loose my error messages so he could see what is happening. Now, this was tested and has been running for years for other customers, but they refuse to accept the error was caused by their data [Bad data]. Finally the issue gets escalated to the boss, and I refused to open it up. {I explained to the boss what was happening and showed him my logs]. Couple days later we got an email, they acknowledged it was their err (aaarrrrggggg!) and things went to the bright side from there on. :doh: :sigh:

                              Yusuf May I help you?

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                              • T The Digital Worm

                                Actually the were busy creating Windows (a buggy one) when you reported DOS errors :laugh:

                                WJFK (Write Just for Kicks)

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                                Windows began in 1983, and required dos right until 1995. And they didn't stop producing buggy version of windows until, ooo, lessee - about 2236 at a guess?

                                Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.

                                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                • I Ian Shlasko

                                  Hmm... How about a virus that turns the user into a zombie if his computer crashes? The world would be overrun in a matter of hours.

                                  Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                                  Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                                  Yayozama
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                                  Ian Shlasko wrote:

                                  Hmm... How about a virus that turns the user into a zombie if his computer crashes? The world would be overrun in a matter of hours.

                                  Not if everyone buys the "Uncle Alex's trusty AntiVirus/Firewall" for only 9,999.99 USD each home license...

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                                  • S Steven J Jowett

                                    ...don't you just love them? They add challenges to your life.

                                    Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real Programmers don't need comments -- the code is obvious.

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                                    0x3c0
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                                    I like to code my Ambiguous messages In haiku layout General Fault has Occurred. The programmer needs Educating - Now!

                                    OSDev :)

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                                    • S Steven J Jowett

                                      ...don't you just love them? They add challenges to your life.

                                      Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real Programmers don't need comments -- the code is obvious.

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                                      Lost User
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                                      "An unexpected error ocurred." Blotus Goats.

                                      Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                                      • S Steven J Jowett

                                        ...don't you just love them? They add challenges to your life.

                                        Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real Programmers don't need comments -- the code is obvious.

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                                        I used to do Visual FoxPro, and occasionally you would get "Fatal error 64 reporting Fatal error 64". I think it was from the Department of Redundancy Department.

                                        Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                                        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                          I blame managers. Personally, I like displaying the raw message from Exceptions. But I usually get overruled and have to output, An Error has occurred. Of course, I do also write to the event log the real error message.

                                          Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                                          A previous version of our application would popup "Error" and then close the program. When I got to rewriting parts, I managed to put a stack trace with a friendly error at the top as we couldn't rely on the users sending us the error files (mobile devices). Now, whenever there's an error, we'll get "user did this and it popped up.... " [copy and paste of error in its entirety]

                                          modified on Thursday, August 5, 2010 3:08 PM

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