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  • K kinar

    Chris Maunder wrote:

    but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on

    How does that differ from guessing which dropdown menu you need (when first learning menus)?

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    Chris Maunder
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    The options I used to use were in the toolbars, not menus.

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      Other than the good feeling of using the latest version, did Office 2010 give you anything that Office 2007 did not? I am yet to install Office on my desktop and am wondering if I should go for 2007 or 2010.

      Regards, Nish


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      Chris Maunder
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      ummm...no.

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      • C Chris Maunder

        I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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        Snowman58
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        Personally I like the Ribbon better than the old menu bar on Excel and Word (don't use Outlook). To me they seem more logically organized and most things are easier to find. But there are many obscure options / setting that became harder to find. But I still miss WordPerfect that gave you much more control of the formating.

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        • C Chris Maunder

          I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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          dazfuller
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          Personally I don't like it, mostly because I find it gets in the way and seems quite obtrusive. It seems as though they've tried to make a feature out of it when it shouldn't be as its only purpose in life is to let you get on with what you're trying to do. This is one of the reasons I like things like the menu system in Chrome and FireFox (v4), they stay ut of your way until you need them and then they're simple enough to just get the job done and disappear out of the way again.

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          • C Chris Maunder

            I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            peterchen
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            Even after a while of exposure, I can't say "hate", but it frustrates me to no end. Makes me feel like working with a buerocrat who just knows one arcane, elaborately maundering way to implement a problem, and gives you the blank stare of nonexistence when you try to suggest there might be a better one. Can we tabulate the results over age, please?

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            • H Henry Minute

              Get back to dangling your worm in the water!

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              peterchen
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              Now that's an euphemism!

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              • C Chris Maunder

                I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                famt
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                think so

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                • P peterchen

                  Now that's an euphemism!

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                  Henry Minute
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                  No, that's a cacophemism.

                  Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                  • L Lost User

                    Add to which the main menu bar is hidden by default in the latest set of apps from MS - Office, IE, etc. I mean, who would want a standard UI element everyone is familiar and comfortable with? The new UI guidelines in Redmond say keep it, but hide it where it can only be restored with some convoluted sequence of mouse clicks and context menus. That makes sense, don't you think? :rolleyes:

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                    Bob1000
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                    Microsoft started with some sensible guide lines on UI, then the UI gurus decided less was more to the point that it really was less! The ribbon is one of the worst UI features to come along, it takes a menu paradigm that is well known, logical and replaces it with something that is difficult to use and takes up screen real-estate (not everyone has 24" dual screens). A bit like replacing a steering wheel with two bits of string you have to pull to turn! Have had to suffer using ribbons, and still hate them as do most of my Tech support colleagues - just try and explain to a user which item on a ribbon to press compared to a menu option!

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

                      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                      It took a little while but I got use to the office ribbons but now I can't use office 2003 anymore they are that different

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                      • S Snowman58

                        Personally I like the Ribbon better than the old menu bar on Excel and Word (don't use Outlook). To me they seem more logically organized and most things are easier to find. But there are many obscure options / setting that became harder to find. But I still miss WordPerfect that gave you much more control of the formating.

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                        MikeD 2
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                        Word Perfect lost a bit of sparkle for me when I found that fonts in a document created in windows word perfect printed at a different size when printed from within the unix version Silly me, fancy thinking that 10pt was going to be the same when printed from windows and unix Still I suppose it isn't much different to the way that windows prints appear in a different place on the page just by changing the make or model of the printer being used

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

                          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                          MikeD 2
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                          I think the big division is if you were a power user of earlier versions then the ribbon caused immense frustration because you lost access to more advanced settings and options. On the other hand new users coming fresh to the ribbon will probably use more options than they would have with the old menus Other settings still infuriate me such as the default paragraph spacing in Word, whoever had the idea of saving a return keystroke press between paragraphs obviously didn't have banks of standard letters already laid out in previous versions with merge fields for the address on separate lines with paragraph marks It certainly stopped the annoying toolbar bloat of using someones PC when they had numerous toolbars turned on in Word and were trying to edit the document in a letterbox sized slot at the bottom of the screen I guess the reason the ribbon skipped outlook in 2007 was that the designers felt it was a negative step and by 2010 they felt it was a higher priority to keep the suite consistent across the different parts

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                          • C Chris Maunder

                            I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

                            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                            I hate the ribbon in Office 2007 that I use at work. With my latest computer at home, I have switched to OpenOffice.org vs. buying the ribbon for home. I did not want to have to train my wife to use the ribbon. She picked up Open Office without an issue. One problem with OpenOffice now... About a week after Oracle bought Sun, they switched a few MS Office plugins for document interop that used to be free to be paid.

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                              I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

                              cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                              I've looked at 2007 and 2010. No thanks. You can have my copy of 2003 when you can pry it from my cold, dead fingers. 2003 just plain works - elegantly. -Max

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                                I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

                                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                JasonPSage
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                                I think it's pretty - and some applications I use with the ribbon are nicely done, however I am still not impressed with the Office 2010 ribbon and the product(s) in general. I found more missing (literally yanked out) or hard to find (with the new ribbon) than I would of expected. I have to say 2003 is a classic. --Jason

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                                  I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

                                  cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

                                    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                    IME, it's very hard for 'user' people to switch to new version. My two colleagues at work got mso2007 with new computers and one copes with it, and the other one with great effort (god forbid if older coworkers need to use 2007). I haven't seen anything yet that I can't do in mso2003. I'm happy with it as long it works on Win7 or x64, especially since I a have full Office Pro + OneNote, Visio, etc., so I won't cash out a ridiculous amount of money :wtf: for something that got just a facelift.:thumbsdown:

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                                      I officially cannot stand the Office Ribbon - at least in the way it was implemented in Outlook 2010. Previously I could choose the View dropdown to show only unread email, then I could click "send/recieve" then I could go and do any number of things, but with the introduction of the ribbon I have to guess at what tab an item is on, select the tab (which seems to take a couple of clicks sometimes), perform the action, then guess/choose/reclick the next tab. Annoying. Really, really annoying.

                                      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                      I ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY HATE IT!!!!! So often, Microsoft tries to make its software "smart" and ends up butchering it to death and making it more stupid than if they had just left it alone. :mad:

                                      -------------------------------------------- Give me ambiguity or give me something else!

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