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What do people think of the death penalty for Aimal Kasi?

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  • C Christian Graus

    Mike Mullikin wrote: I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I'm just curious what Tasmanian society deems justice/punishment for taking two lives. In theory one would hope they got life, in practice they probably get less than I would like, taking into account parole and so on. Our system is not perfect, and it's far too bleeding heart for my liking. I guess the idea is that justice means rehabilitation, not retribution, but in my opinion we go too far in that direction and I don't believe that prison has any reforming qualities in any case. Martin Bryant is clearly never coming out of jail, but I know it regularly makes the news that serial rapists or murders get out in under 20 years. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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    Somewhat off topic: I was talking to an old highschool classmate recently who claimed 2 other classmates were currently incarcerated after being convicted of murder over the years (I graduated HS in 1981). I went to the Illinois Department of Corrections website and found they have an "Inmate Search". A couple minutes later... I find out it's true! :omg: One is in for 60 years for murder and the other is in for 40 years for one murder and one attempted murder. :wtf: Neither one of these individuals were class bullies or anything. Hell, one of them was very mild mannered as I recall. Mike Mullikin :beer:

    Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap

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      I'm sorry, are you saying the US doesn't have the right to impose it's will on the world, or that the US does not have the death penalty ? Sorry, forgot to answer the question. IMO a civilised society sends such people to jail, where it's possible to reverse the decision if new evidence comes to light, not to mention the idea of my not being dragged down to the level of a killer by the society I live in. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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      Christian Graus wrote: IMO a civilised society sends such people to jail, where it's possible to reverse the decision if new evidence comes to light The average time a US death row prisoner has to spend in jail until the death sentence is carried out is about nine and a half years. Thats a lot of time to reverse a decision..and there have been many cases where it has been reversed. Its not like you sentence someone to death and then take them outside and shoot em. The prisoner still has the right to appeals and such.. Also, there are like 15 states that abolished the death penalty and a few others that havent used it...The death penalty is a major issue here. One that gets debated all of the time. Anyway! -dork

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        Somewhat off topic: I was talking to an old highschool classmate recently who claimed 2 other classmates were currently incarcerated after being convicted of murder over the years (I graduated HS in 1981). I went to the Illinois Department of Corrections website and found they have an "Inmate Search". A couple minutes later... I find out it's true! :omg: One is in for 60 years for murder and the other is in for 40 years for one murder and one attempted murder. :wtf: Neither one of these individuals were class bullies or anything. Hell, one of them was very mild mannered as I recall. Mike Mullikin :beer:

        Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap

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        Christian Graus
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        Mike Mullikin wrote: Hell, one of them was very mild mannered as I recall. I guess he finally snapped. I used to love going to meet-an-inmate.com and seeing the personals girls in jail used to put up. Cruel, but funny. Have you seen 'Minority Report' ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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          Somewhat off topic: I was talking to an old highschool classmate recently who claimed 2 other classmates were currently incarcerated after being convicted of murder over the years (I graduated HS in 1981). I went to the Illinois Department of Corrections website and found they have an "Inmate Search". A couple minutes later... I find out it's true! :omg: One is in for 60 years for murder and the other is in for 40 years for one murder and one attempted murder. :wtf: Neither one of these individuals were class bullies or anything. Hell, one of them was very mild mannered as I recall. Mike Mullikin :beer:

          Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap

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          WOW, that would freak me out as well. two from one class seems like a lot, to put it real mildly. Regardz Colin J Davies

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          You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.

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            Christian Graus wrote: IMO a civilised society sends such people to jail, where it's possible to reverse the decision if new evidence comes to light The average time a US death row prisoner has to spend in jail until the death sentence is carried out is about nine and a half years. Thats a lot of time to reverse a decision..and there have been many cases where it has been reversed. Its not like you sentence someone to death and then take them outside and shoot em. The prisoner still has the right to appeals and such.. Also, there are like 15 states that abolished the death penalty and a few others that havent used it...The death penalty is a major issue here. One that gets debated all of the time. Anyway! -dork

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            dorkshoe wrote: The average time a US death row prisoner has to spend in jail until the death sentence is carried out is about nine and a half years. Which is in itself a cruel and unusual punishment. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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            • M Matt Philmon

              I ran across this article Pakistani political leaders ask U.S. to spare life of convicted killer Aimal Kasi[^] while perusing USAToday.com. The guy gunned down to guys in cold blood. I just don't see sparing his life to placate some angry Muslims... I'm sorry but I just don't. If the guy was an American and had done the same, I'd feel exactly the same.

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              Personally I believe that some crimes are so terrible that the individual.s or individuals who commit those crimes must be excised from society. With all due respect to the enlightened who have opined regarding the barbarism of the death penalty, I don't see how being provided a life time of room and board is a just punishment for the perpetrators of certain crimes. It is also unfair to the victims of those crimes. In the case that raised the question, my belief is that the USA certainly should not spare this guys life for any political reason. But there is an even worse situation on the horizon. That is the case of the two snipers recently caught here in the USA. Here are two individuals who traveled the country, simply to take lives of innocents. One of these two is purported to be 17 years of age and has admitted, if news leaks are true, to pulling the trigger on several of the murdered innocents. These murders were done either for sport or eventual gain. Should both men, if found guilty, be put to death. Absolutely. The only question is how. Painless injection or ? To call the death penalty barbaric is fine, intellectually, but what is the alternative? Life in prison with no parole? So then family member of the slain contribute the care and feeding of two who took the lives of their family members? One of the victims that comes to mind was the father of six, their only means of support. Now there is a mother without a husband, six children without a father and a family without a provider. There is little question regarding guilt. It is difficult to understand a point of view that would do anything other than deliver and execute a death sentence should they be found guilty at the end of a fair trial. Mike

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              • C Christian Graus

                Mike Mullikin wrote: Hell, one of them was very mild mannered as I recall. I guess he finally snapped. I used to love going to meet-an-inmate.com and seeing the personals girls in jail used to put up. Cruel, but funny. Have you seen 'Minority Report' ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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                Christian Graus wrote: Have you seen 'Minority Report' ? Not yet, but it's on my list once it's on DVD. Mike Mullikin :beer:

                Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap

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                • C ColinDavies

                  WOW, that would freak me out as well. two from one class seems like a lot, to put it real mildly. Regardz Colin J Davies

                  Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

                  You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.

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                  Colin Davies wrote: WOW, that would freak me out as well. two from one class seems like a lot, to put it real mildly. ...and that's only the ones I know about. :~ I'm tempted to sit down with my HS yearbook and start searching for everyone. :suss: Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                    Christian Graus wrote: Have you seen 'Minority Report' ? Not yet, but it's on my list once it's on DVD. Mike Mullikin :beer:

                    Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap

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                    I missed it in the cinema, but I downloaded it. I will certainly be buying it on DVD, it rocks. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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                      Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Barbarism. Which? The murder of two people or forfeiting the killer's life? Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                      Mike Mullikin wrote: The murder of two people or forfeiting the killer's life? Obviously both are barbaric.

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                      • M Matt Philmon

                        You name the CIA as if it's a living, breathing, thing. Every individual in the CIA is just that, an individual. 2 murders are 2 murders, regardless of nationality OR what company they work for. Can I call all Muslims killers just because a few of them are crazy zealots? We have crazy religous zealots here in America too. My problem with your comment is how broad your scope is. We had a period of time where there were a rash of crazy killings in our own Postal System. However, except for a few jokes (bad ones) and the term "going postal" I certainly don't think all postal workers are deranged psychopaths.

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                        error: Incompatible type comparison: secret service organization == religion. By the way, didn't the Bush-man reinstall the probability of using assasination earlier this year?. This makes the comparison of Al Qaeda and CIA a lot more appropriate. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

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