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Given that its NYC, what do we think the response would have been if the local Rabbi wanted to build a shul (synagogue). Double standards.
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I don't know, the plan to build something islamic there certainly sounds like a bad idea to me. Not because I hate everything islamic, but just think of what will happen if this plan is allowed to continue. The Masses will cry about their govt not supporting them and eventually take their own measures. Angry Mobs with torches and pitchforks (or something more modern) will destroy the place, and everyone in it. Police intervention would just make things a lot worse, and that cultural center will of course still be sabotaged but in sneakier ways. Or maybe not, but the chance is high enough to make this a Bad Idea.
Actually, I think the latest polls have shown that New Yorkers largely support having it there (Or at least believe it should be permitted). The problem is that the ones who oppose it are louder. So there might be an angry mob (In fact, there have been demonstrations on either side, that almost turned violent), but the "masses" aren't against it.
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Given that its NYC, what do we think the response would have been if the local Rabbi wanted to build a shul (synagogue). Double standards.
We wouldn't even have heard about it. It's only a big issue because too many people seem to equate "Islam" to "Al Qaeda"...
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Actually, I think the latest polls have shown that New Yorkers largely support having it there (Or at least believe it should be permitted). The problem is that the ones who oppose it are louder. So there might be an angry mob (In fact, there have been demonstrations on either side, that almost turned violent), but the "masses" aren't against it.
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Perhaps, but nothing the NYPD can't handle. I don't think the people behind the center should back down just because a bunch of racists want to make it difficult. If it were me, that'd be another reason to push forward.
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Perhaps, but nothing the NYPD can't handle. I don't think the people behind the center should back down just because a bunch of racists want to make it difficult. If it were me, that'd be another reason to push forward.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
nothing the NYPD can't handle.
Great. Escalate the situation. This will not end well.
I think you're overestimating the violence factor here... The NYPD has gotten pretty good at non-violent crowd control over the years... Remember, we have the United Nations here, so every time someone like Ahmanijad (However you spell that #%&*(@'s name) comes into town, they have to keep people from lynching him :)
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I think you're overestimating the violence factor here... The NYPD has gotten pretty good at non-violent crowd control over the years... Remember, we have the United Nations here, so every time someone like Ahmanijad (However you spell that #%&*(@'s name) comes into town, they have to keep people from lynching him :)
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Things will get worse when they actually start building that thing, and this is a "threat in our own backyard" added to "our govt has deserted us". Much worse than some middle-eastern sucker with an impossible name who's just visiting.. Torch and pitchfork. Molotov cocktails and guns.
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We wouldn't even have heard about it. It's only a big issue because too many people seem to equate "Islam" to "Al Qaeda"...
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It's only a big issue because too many people seem to equate "Islam" to "Al Qaeda"...
I doubt even that is true. Color me cynical, but I don't think you would have heard anything at all if it hadnt been an election year, and certain desparate right wing politicos were looking at a poor showing.
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Things will get worse when they actually start building that thing, and this is a "threat in our own backyard" added to "our govt has deserted us". Much worse than some middle-eastern sucker with an impossible name who's just visiting.. Torch and pitchfork. Molotov cocktails and guns.
Nah, keep in mind that the guys actually building it would be the construction unions, and nobody messes with them in NYC. Right now, the biggest threat to it is the unions refusing to actually work the site... If that happens, it'll probably never get done.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
It's only a big issue because too many people seem to equate "Islam" to "Al Qaeda"...
I doubt even that is true. Color me cynical, but I don't think you would have heard anything at all if it hadnt been an election year, and certain desparate right wing politicos were looking at a poor showing.
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Good point.
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Nah, keep in mind that the guys actually building it would be the construction unions, and nobody messes with them in NYC. Right now, the biggest threat to it is the unions refusing to actually work the site... If that happens, it'll probably never get done.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I wouldn't call that a threat, but rather "the biggest win possible" - officials won't have give in an say that some things are more important than freedom, The People won't have to resort to violence, the people behind the islamic center thing won't (well the risk is reduced.. still, who knows) get killed, everyone wins.
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I think you're overestimating the violence factor here... The NYPD has gotten pretty good at non-violent crowd control over the years... Remember, we have the United Nations here, so every time someone like Ahmanijad (However you spell that #%&*(@'s name) comes into town, they have to keep people from lynching him :)
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I wouldn't call that a threat, but rather "the biggest win possible" - officials won't have give in an say that some things are more important than freedom, The People won't have to resort to violence, the people behind the islamic center thing won't (well the risk is reduced.. still, who knows) get killed, everyone wins.
I wouldn't consider that a "win" at all... Racism and bigotry would win. So much for this being a land of religious tolerance... Sure, the builders probably should have anticipated this kind of reaction and taken that into consideration when choosing a site, but that was the site they picked. They own the rights to the building, so they're perfectly within their rights to build the center. And if anyone does decide to initiate violence against it, then I hope they're caught and given the maximum sentence, to make a clear statement.
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...is right twice a day. I can't believe I actually agree with Ron Paul on something... The issue in question is the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque," which is actually an Islamic Cultural Center[^] (though it contains a "prayer space") they plan to build a couple blocks away from the World Trade Center site in NYC. Fun little issue that really shows peoples' true colors... We've got the racist bigots who basically want to kick anything Islam-related out of the city... Then there's the semi-racist ones who just want it moved a little further from Ground Zero (And a little further, and a little further...). Then there are the politicians who like to turn this into a big song and dance to try to win votes... Well, Ron Paul may be dancing with the rest of them, but at least he's on the right side of it[^]. Of course, so is Obama, and so is Bloomberg (Mayor of NYC). Apparently people are pissed about it being constructed on "hallowed ground"... Because the abandoned building that's the former home of a Burlington Coat Factory[^] is so "hallowed," right? For the record, there's also been an existing mosque in the area since 1970 (Before the WTC was finished), only about five blocks from the WTC... Oh, and there's a strip club around there too, just to make sure that "hallowed ground" isn't too pure. So, Ron Paul actually said something intelligent... Wow... I don't expect to agree with him on much else, but he deserves a cookie for this one.
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How many of these 'protestors' are from New York?
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Good question. The prevailing attitude in NYC seems to be either "Sure, go ahead" or "Wish you wouldn't do that, but it's your right." Most of the heavy opposition seems to be from elsewhere.
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I wouldn't consider that a "win" at all... Racism and bigotry would win. So much for this being a land of religious tolerance... Sure, the builders probably should have anticipated this kind of reaction and taken that into consideration when choosing a site, but that was the site they picked. They own the rights to the building, so they're perfectly within their rights to build the center. And if anyone does decide to initiate violence against it, then I hope they're caught and given the maximum sentence, to make a clear statement.
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Ron Paul is on the "right side of it" for right reasons. Obama and Bloomberg of course are on the "right side" for the wrong reasons.
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Oh, then enlighten us... What exactly are the "wrong reasons?"
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...is right twice a day. I can't believe I actually agree with Ron Paul on something... The issue in question is the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque," which is actually an Islamic Cultural Center[^] (though it contains a "prayer space") they plan to build a couple blocks away from the World Trade Center site in NYC. Fun little issue that really shows peoples' true colors... We've got the racist bigots who basically want to kick anything Islam-related out of the city... Then there's the semi-racist ones who just want it moved a little further from Ground Zero (And a little further, and a little further...). Then there are the politicians who like to turn this into a big song and dance to try to win votes... Well, Ron Paul may be dancing with the rest of them, but at least he's on the right side of it[^]. Of course, so is Obama, and so is Bloomberg (Mayor of NYC). Apparently people are pissed about it being constructed on "hallowed ground"... Because the abandoned building that's the former home of a Burlington Coat Factory[^] is so "hallowed," right? For the record, there's also been an existing mosque in the area since 1970 (Before the WTC was finished), only about five blocks from the WTC... Oh, and there's a strip club around there too, just to make sure that "hallowed ground" isn't too pure. So, Ron Paul actually said something intelligent... Wow... I don't expect to agree with him on much else, but he deserves a cookie for this one.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ron Paul is on the "right side of it" for right reasons. Obama and Bloomberg of course are on the "right side" for the wrong reasons.
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Nah, keep in mind that the guys actually building it would be the construction unions, and nobody messes with them in NYC. Right now, the biggest threat to it is the unions refusing to actually work the site... If that happens, it'll probably never get done.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I agree with harold on this. This situations really hits a sore spot in many many people, especially New Yorkers who suffered the most, and the parents of dead Iraq veterans and the veterans themselves. The NYPD will get steamrolled because quite frankly they do not have the passion and rage of the angry mobs. Any resistance by the authorties will only make things worse. The best option for these Islamic extremists is to just find a new place to worship. It's the most logical option.
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