Iz Gotz Da Codz [modified] - Repost of Mr Sammich
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They have a very good point about learning what the machine really is and not having so much hidden away.
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Students today should be made to do work-throughs of their design before committing to disk. When I started I had to book 20 mins in the morning and 20 mins in the afternoon to input my code on the mainframe. It made you work out how the program would operate BEFORE you charged in typing furiously because if it didn't work you had to wait until the next session to put it right. I hated people who could touch type :) Nowadays it's type, compile, type, compile, intellisense, compile, any old slapdash effort will do cos it'll sort itself out in the end.
He took it all too far, but boy could he play guitar!
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Hands up all those who used the old Beeb!
:thumbsup:That was one of the many machines I coded on. My all time favourite game was written for the Beeb, the classic Elite.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Hands up all those who used the old Beeb!
:thumbsup:That was one of the many machines I coded on. My all time favourite game was written for the Beeb, the classic Elite.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Welcome Commander Jameson! I am still a fugitive drug runner after all these years. Tooled up Viper with the best weaponry my ill-gotten gains could buy. How I wish Braben and Bell would stop being arsy and get it redone for PC.
He took it all too far, but boy could he play guitar!
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Welcome Commander Jameson! I am still a fugitive drug runner after all these years. Tooled up Viper with the best weaponry my ill-gotten gains could buy. How I wish Braben and Bell would stop being arsy and get it redone for PC.
He took it all too far, but boy could he play guitar!
I can't be Graham Nortoned to do it for you, but google oolite...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Students today should be made to do work-throughs of their design before committing to disk. When I started I had to book 20 mins in the morning and 20 mins in the afternoon to input my code on the mainframe. It made you work out how the program would operate BEFORE you charged in typing furiously because if it didn't work you had to wait until the next session to put it right. I hated people who could touch type :) Nowadays it's type, compile, type, compile, intellisense, compile, any old slapdash effort will do cos it'll sort itself out in the end.
He took it all too far, but boy could he play guitar!
I started with punched cards - and with tutors who got a list of your runs count and reduced your score accordingly... :(
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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Welcome Commander Jameson! I am still a fugitive drug runner after all these years. Tooled up Viper with the best weaponry my ill-gotten gains could buy. How I wish Braben and Bell would stop being arsy and get it redone for PC.
He took it all too far, but boy could he play guitar!
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I started with punched cards - and with tutors who got a list of your runs count and reduced your score accordingly... :(
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
I bow syre, I bow. TBH, we had to do a simple program to compare some values on cards to see what it was like. It was only about a dozen cards IIRC and it took a week to do. We didn't have a punch machine so we had to look up each char, find its ascii and punch the wholes by hand. Oh f Joy!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Welcome Commander Jameson! I am still a fugitive drug runner after all these years. Tooled up Viper with the best weaponry my ill-gotten gains could buy. How I wish Braben and Bell would stop being arsy and get it redone for PC.
He took it all too far, but boy could he play guitar!
It just wasn't the same for any environment it was ported to. The number of people who played it on other machines who claimed they'd reached Elite status compared to the relative sparsity of Elite BBC players suggests that the experience wasn't quite the same.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
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I bow syre, I bow. TBH, we had to do a simple program to compare some values on cards to see what it was like. It was only about a dozen cards IIRC and it took a week to do. We didn't have a punch machine so we had to look up each char, find its ascii and punch the wholes by hand. Oh f Joy!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
We had six punch machines with keyboards between 4 years of students, with 200 students in the first year. At any time half of the machines would have no ink ribbon left, so you couldn't tell what you had typed without manually reading the card and writing in Biro on the top. Being mechanical, they jammed often. Not being mechanically minded the students would then badly damage the machine trying to retrieve the card. As a result: 1) There was always a queue at the single manual card punch - no keyboard just 12 buttons, one for each row on the eighty column card. 2) You learned to "get it right" as quickly as possible. The consequences of even a trivial error could be waiting around for several hours to fix it... 3) None of this mattered as the operators would drop your cards half the time anyway and then run them in whatever order they picked (most) of them up in! :laugh: (One of my card sets came back with bits of a salad sandwich all over them)
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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It just wasn't the same for any environment it was ported to. The number of people who played it on other machines who claimed they'd reached Elite status compared to the relative sparsity of Elite BBC players suggests that the experience wasn't quite the same.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Or a comment on the reliability of BBC micro tape readers... :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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I spent literally thousands of hours programming on my BBC Micro and then thousands more hours programming on an Acorn Archimedes A420. Unfortunately, I got rid of both machines years ago, but I recently bought another BBC Micro and Archimedes from eBay. It's been good fun going through all of my old 5.25 inch discs and looking at some of the programs I wrote years ago. One game that I wrote (Micalsoft Lander) was published on the front of Archimedes World in 1993. I remember I persuaded my dad to lend me £65 for a piece of sound editing software that I needed to generate the sound effects for the game. I promised him I would pay him back from the huge payment I would get from the magazine for the software. Unfortunately, I only got £45, so my dad never got his money back. Ah - those were the days!!
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A case of Bacon Ja Vu[^]
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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I can't be Graham Nortoned to do it for you, but google oolite...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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A case of Bacon Ja Vu[^]
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
Check the title now!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Used one a little on lunch break in school, though there were no lessons in programming. I preferred the C64 and later Amiga I had at home tbh.
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We had six punch machines with keyboards between 4 years of students, with 200 students in the first year. At any time half of the machines would have no ink ribbon left, so you couldn't tell what you had typed without manually reading the card and writing in Biro on the top. Being mechanical, they jammed often. Not being mechanically minded the students would then badly damage the machine trying to retrieve the card. As a result: 1) There was always a queue at the single manual card punch - no keyboard just 12 buttons, one for each row on the eighty column card. 2) You learned to "get it right" as quickly as possible. The consequences of even a trivial error could be waiting around for several hours to fix it... 3) None of this mattered as the operators would drop your cards half the time anyway and then run them in whatever order they picked (most) of them up in! :laugh: (One of my card sets came back with bits of a salad sandwich all over them)
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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not quite as bad as punch cards, but we had to hand assemble our code and then type into a machine using a hex keypad... some of the 6502 and z80 assembly languages are still lurking in the dark recesses of my head
GStrad wrote:
z80 assembly
Good old DJNZ! I used Z80 for around 20 years. I think I could probably code it in my sleep... :-D
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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Welcome Commander Jameson! I am still a fugitive drug runner after all these years. Tooled up Viper with the best weaponry my ill-gotten gains could buy. How I wish Braben and Bell would stop being arsy and get it redone for PC.
He took it all too far, but boy could he play guitar!
Somewhere in my disc boxes for the Atari ST my old savegame without doubt still survives :) Too bad that Elite never was released for the 8 bit Ataris, else I would have a copy for them as well. But why don't you download XNA studio and recreate the game? The simple 3D graphics would be more like a tutorial these days :-) Or you get yourself any 8 or 16 bit emulator and play it there
A while ago he asked me what he should have printed on my business cards. I said 'Wizard'. I read books which nobody else understand. Then I do something which nobody understands. After that the computer does something which nobody understands. When asked, I say things about the results which nobody understand. But everybody expects miracles from me on a regular basis. Looks to me like the classical definition of a wizard.
