IEEE - I am thinking this is code for 'RIP OFF'?
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OK, so I had a membership (student) all through school (Associates through my masters) and now I just upgraded to a 'real' (read 'REAL' as - 'OK, you are out of school now go get your butt in a job and just PAY what WE WANT for a membership to a technical library of stuff). So I did... The problem is, WHAT IEEE did I sign up for? Apparently not only does IEEE NOT like to play nice-nice with ACM (another place I have a decent membership with), but they don't even play nice-nice with their own factions. Apparently there are MORE THAN ONE IEEE sites that require memberships to get access to content for. http://www.ieee.org/about/index.html[^] "IEEE is the world’s largest professional association dedicated to advancing technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity. IEEE and its members inspire a global community through IEEE's highly cited publications, conferences, technology standards, and professional and educational activities." http://www.computer.org/portal/web/guest/home[^] "With nearly 85,000 members, the 64-year-old IEEE Computer Society is the world's premier organization of computing professionals, with rich offerings in publications, standards, certifications, conferences, and more." The odd thing is that when I do a document search on ACM that ends up being a document that is ALSO Published on ONE of the IEEE sites (apparently you have to guess which one it is going to be and hope you have a membership at the right one, or be a rich man and have a membership at both I guess) you can;t get access to the document (other than the abstract) via ACM, you are REQUIRED to go log into your IEEE 9the right one) account and access it from there instead. I am starting to wonder what REAL value these places offer at all. What the heck does the IEEE offer me that being able to simply search on the web and go to a website run by either the papers author or a school, or somewhere, and download a copy of a paper written by the author does not get me? What value is the IEEE (or ACM for that matter really) giving me? They are nothing more than a glorified tech-specific version of Google and it is starting to tick me off. My new statement for all these tech places is "do your job by centrali
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OK, so I had a membership (student) all through school (Associates through my masters) and now I just upgraded to a 'real' (read 'REAL' as - 'OK, you are out of school now go get your butt in a job and just PAY what WE WANT for a membership to a technical library of stuff). So I did... The problem is, WHAT IEEE did I sign up for? Apparently not only does IEEE NOT like to play nice-nice with ACM (another place I have a decent membership with), but they don't even play nice-nice with their own factions. Apparently there are MORE THAN ONE IEEE sites that require memberships to get access to content for. http://www.ieee.org/about/index.html[^] "IEEE is the world’s largest professional association dedicated to advancing technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity. IEEE and its members inspire a global community through IEEE's highly cited publications, conferences, technology standards, and professional and educational activities." http://www.computer.org/portal/web/guest/home[^] "With nearly 85,000 members, the 64-year-old IEEE Computer Society is the world's premier organization of computing professionals, with rich offerings in publications, standards, certifications, conferences, and more." The odd thing is that when I do a document search on ACM that ends up being a document that is ALSO Published on ONE of the IEEE sites (apparently you have to guess which one it is going to be and hope you have a membership at the right one, or be a rich man and have a membership at both I guess) you can;t get access to the document (other than the abstract) via ACM, you are REQUIRED to go log into your IEEE 9the right one) account and access it from there instead. I am starting to wonder what REAL value these places offer at all. What the heck does the IEEE offer me that being able to simply search on the web and go to a website run by either the papers author or a school, or somewhere, and download a copy of a paper written by the author does not get me? What value is the IEEE (or ACM for that matter really) giving me? They are nothing more than a glorified tech-specific version of Google and it is starting to tick me off. My new statement for all these tech places is "do your job by centrali
Hi, Ray - I gave up on those guys when I was temporarily leaving student status at the end of my ASEE, 30-plus years ago. Took one look at the cost of a 'real' membership, asked myself the same questions, and haven't missed it. (Remarkably lucid, if I say so myself, considering the above thread.) :-D
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Hi, Ray - I gave up on those guys when I was temporarily leaving student status at the end of my ASEE, 30-plus years ago. Took one look at the cost of a 'real' membership, asked myself the same questions, and haven't missed it. (Remarkably lucid, if I say so myself, considering the above thread.) :-D
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
Remarkably lucid...
I agree... I miss the occasional libation, I have to say.. nothing like a good cold 'Corona and lime' with a slice of re-warmed pizza after a long day. That's not an option anymore unfortunately... Messes with the Chemo... Sucks.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
Remarkably lucid...
I agree... I miss the occasional libation, I have to say.. nothing like a good cold 'Corona and lime' with a slice of re-warmed pizza after a long day. That's not an option anymore unfortunately... Messes with the Chemo... Sucks.
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OK, so I had a membership (student) all through school (Associates through my masters) and now I just upgraded to a 'real' (read 'REAL' as - 'OK, you are out of school now go get your butt in a job and just PAY what WE WANT for a membership to a technical library of stuff). So I did... The problem is, WHAT IEEE did I sign up for? Apparently not only does IEEE NOT like to play nice-nice with ACM (another place I have a decent membership with), but they don't even play nice-nice with their own factions. Apparently there are MORE THAN ONE IEEE sites that require memberships to get access to content for. http://www.ieee.org/about/index.html[^] "IEEE is the world’s largest professional association dedicated to advancing technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity. IEEE and its members inspire a global community through IEEE's highly cited publications, conferences, technology standards, and professional and educational activities." http://www.computer.org/portal/web/guest/home[^] "With nearly 85,000 members, the 64-year-old IEEE Computer Society is the world's premier organization of computing professionals, with rich offerings in publications, standards, certifications, conferences, and more." The odd thing is that when I do a document search on ACM that ends up being a document that is ALSO Published on ONE of the IEEE sites (apparently you have to guess which one it is going to be and hope you have a membership at the right one, or be a rich man and have a membership at both I guess) you can;t get access to the document (other than the abstract) via ACM, you are REQUIRED to go log into your IEEE 9the right one) account and access it from there instead. I am starting to wonder what REAL value these places offer at all. What the heck does the IEEE offer me that being able to simply search on the web and go to a website run by either the papers author or a school, or somewhere, and download a copy of a paper written by the author does not get me? What value is the IEEE (or ACM for that matter really) giving me? They are nothing more than a glorified tech-specific version of Google and it is starting to tick me off. My new statement for all these tech places is "do your job by centrali
I've been a member since 1975, and have been wondering the same for almost as long. When you join, you're asked to select one or more specialties - societies, in their parlance. Your dues increase marginally for each society membership. With the standard membership you get a subscription to the IEEE Spectrum magazine, but with membership in a society you get their magazine along with their Transactions publications whenever they publish one. Transactions is comprised of the technical papers published by members of the society, and most are complete gibberish to anyone outside the author's particular area of specialization. My main gripe with the IEEE is that the international standards they publish and maintain are created by volunteers, members who serve on committees to study matters of interest and decide what's best, yet they charge members to see those standards! I don't have any problem paying for what I get, but to charge hundred$ or thousand$ for material that cost them nothing to create, and little to reproduce is obscene, and an insult to all of the membership. I've bitched about that to anyone who will listen for 35 years, and this year they may have listened a bit. From what I've heard, they now offer a large selection of ebooks for free to all members. Now that's worth paying for, but I have to admit that I haven't found anyplace to access them yet.
Will Rogers never met me.
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OK, so I had a membership (student) all through school (Associates through my masters) and now I just upgraded to a 'real' (read 'REAL' as - 'OK, you are out of school now go get your butt in a job and just PAY what WE WANT for a membership to a technical library of stuff). So I did... The problem is, WHAT IEEE did I sign up for? Apparently not only does IEEE NOT like to play nice-nice with ACM (another place I have a decent membership with), but they don't even play nice-nice with their own factions. Apparently there are MORE THAN ONE IEEE sites that require memberships to get access to content for. http://www.ieee.org/about/index.html[^] "IEEE is the world’s largest professional association dedicated to advancing technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity. IEEE and its members inspire a global community through IEEE's highly cited publications, conferences, technology standards, and professional and educational activities." http://www.computer.org/portal/web/guest/home[^] "With nearly 85,000 members, the 64-year-old IEEE Computer Society is the world's premier organization of computing professionals, with rich offerings in publications, standards, certifications, conferences, and more." The odd thing is that when I do a document search on ACM that ends up being a document that is ALSO Published on ONE of the IEEE sites (apparently you have to guess which one it is going to be and hope you have a membership at the right one, or be a rich man and have a membership at both I guess) you can;t get access to the document (other than the abstract) via ACM, you are REQUIRED to go log into your IEEE 9the right one) account and access it from there instead. I am starting to wonder what REAL value these places offer at all. What the heck does the IEEE offer me that being able to simply search on the web and go to a website run by either the papers author or a school, or somewhere, and download a copy of a paper written by the author does not get me? What value is the IEEE (or ACM for that matter really) giving me? They are nothing more than a glorified tech-specific version of Google and it is starting to tick me off. My new statement for all these tech places is "do your job by centrali
Them as can, do. Them as can't, resell what them as can do have done. Because them as can't will never be able to make a consistent living from doing, they obviously deserve to make excessive amounts from them as cans' efforts. I always reach for the big salt cellar when I receive a communique that says "We provide...", rather than "We produce...", because the subtext of the former is almost invariably "We won't do any work, and we're not interested in providing service that goes beyond forwarding other people's work, but we're happy to screw every penny we can out of you for the work that someone else has done."
How sweet to be a marketing idiot, As harmful as an acid cloud...
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OK, so I had a membership (student) all through school (Associates through my masters) and now I just upgraded to a 'real' (read 'REAL' as - 'OK, you are out of school now go get your butt in a job and just PAY what WE WANT for a membership to a technical library of stuff). So I did... The problem is, WHAT IEEE did I sign up for? Apparently not only does IEEE NOT like to play nice-nice with ACM (another place I have a decent membership with), but they don't even play nice-nice with their own factions. Apparently there are MORE THAN ONE IEEE sites that require memberships to get access to content for. http://www.ieee.org/about/index.html[^] "IEEE is the world’s largest professional association dedicated to advancing technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity. IEEE and its members inspire a global community through IEEE's highly cited publications, conferences, technology standards, and professional and educational activities." http://www.computer.org/portal/web/guest/home[^] "With nearly 85,000 members, the 64-year-old IEEE Computer Society is the world's premier organization of computing professionals, with rich offerings in publications, standards, certifications, conferences, and more." The odd thing is that when I do a document search on ACM that ends up being a document that is ALSO Published on ONE of the IEEE sites (apparently you have to guess which one it is going to be and hope you have a membership at the right one, or be a rich man and have a membership at both I guess) you can;t get access to the document (other than the abstract) via ACM, you are REQUIRED to go log into your IEEE 9the right one) account and access it from there instead. I am starting to wonder what REAL value these places offer at all. What the heck does the IEEE offer me that being able to simply search on the web and go to a website run by either the papers author or a school, or somewhere, and download a copy of a paper written by the author does not get me? What value is the IEEE (or ACM for that matter really) giving me? They are nothing more than a glorified tech-specific version of Google and it is starting to tick me off. My new statement for all these tech places is "do your job by centrali
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YIKES! A little overdone don't you think? How many factions do we need for crying out loud! :) It seems tome that they should not be allowed to require separate memberships though. It just seems wrong. If I pay to become a member at a Costco or some thing like that then I can go to any one of them and use it... Just seems wrong...