16 Page CV!
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Mark Wallace wrote:
Is writing in perfect English a function of the job?
Correct answer - of course it isn't!
Caslen wrote:
Correct answer - of course it isn't!
Fair enough, then. Don't waste your time worrying about things they can't do that aren't relevant, look for the things they can do that are. I've found that the real stars are sometimes the ones you least expect, so I don't "bin" anyone until I've given them a fair crack of the whip.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I don't hire Carpenters or Electricians. I am dealing with management types, Site Managers, Supervisors, Draughtsment etc. I know a sparky will not have the writing skills of Geoffrey Chaucer, and I don't care. What I want is a manager who can communicate.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Draughtsment
BIN!!!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Caslen wrote:
Correct answer - of course it isn't!
Fair enough, then. Don't waste your time worrying about things they can't do that aren't relevant, look for the things they can do that are. I've found that the real stars are sometimes the ones you least expect, so I don't "bin" anyone until I've given them a fair crack of the whip.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I don't hire Carpenters or Electricians. I am dealing with management types, Site Managers, Supervisors, Draughtsment etc. I know a sparky will not have the writing skills of Geoffrey Chaucer, and I don't care. What I want is a manager who can communicate.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
Draughtsment etc.
Draughtsmen surely ;P
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
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I would absolutely disagree with this point though:- "...the agent or employer will discard or disregard anything that they don't feel is up to date or relevant" Its surely up the the employee to tailor his CV to suit the application? Why should I wade through 15 pages of irrelevant crap looking for something useful?
You missed the point: this was in relation to older data on your cv; for instance, what you did 5 years ago is pertinent to a timeline but the technology used may not be of any current relevence.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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yes you are correct :)
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
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You missed the point: this was in relation to older data on your cv; for instance, what you did 5 years ago is pertinent to a timeline but the technology used may not be of any current relevence.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
digital man wrote:
You missed the point
I don't think so, it's still down to the potential employee to tell me what he can do for me, not for him to tell me everything he's done and expect me to sort through it all. I can't imagine any employer looking a 16 page CV and not binning it (or asking for a relevant one as I have done) although I guess I'm wrong there because the guy is still being employed!
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Just received a 16 page CV from a applicant - is it just me or is that way too much? fair enough most of his career has been as a contract programmer and he's done a lot of jobs but he's listed every single project he's worked on (as far as I can see) some of them only a couple of weeks long. My first thought was 'I can't be arsed to read all this'
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Does it starts with "Once upon a time in [insert applicant location], a young lad met a charming lady who were destined to be my parents"?
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I have a rule when CV's come in. If they are less than 3 pages, in the bin. If they are more than 8 Pages, in the bin. If they are not accompanied by a hand written letter (as required in advert), in the bin. If they are generic and not addressed to us, in the bin. It is not hard to get these things right, and we have such a small turnover in staff because we choose well. Anyone who cannot follow simple instructions is no use. (Also, bad handwriting or poor spelling...guess where!)
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You ask for an actual hand-written (and just to be clear: you mean with a pen?) letter? I love the concept. I have particular trouble seeing its relevance to a programming gig. Some of the best resumes I've seen have been 1-2 pages. Just the experience relevant to the position they are applying for and no fluff. Quite frankly, though, a single line would be sufficient: "I have a brain, common sense and a willingness to take responsibility for my own work and I choose to employ these three skills daily".
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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HANDWRITING! If someone has bad handwriting it can lead to confusion and misunderstanding at a later date.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
HANDWRITING!
What will you do with his Handwriting? He will not write code in paper. He will type with his keyboard. And as it is a software job, you should test his skills and not the handwriting.
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I have a rule when CV's come in. If they are less than 3 pages, in the bin. If they are more than 8 Pages, in the bin. If they are not accompanied by a hand written letter (as required in advert), in the bin. If they are generic and not addressed to us, in the bin. It is not hard to get these things right, and we have such a small turnover in staff because we choose well. Anyone who cannot follow simple instructions is no use. (Also, bad handwriting or poor spelling...guess where!)
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
poor spelling
I can understand... but
Dalek Dave wrote:
bad handwriting
seems a bit harsh to me. I can type 90wpm, but have handwriting that a doctor would be proud of!!
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digital man wrote:
You missed the point
I don't think so, it's still down to the potential employee to tell me what he can do for me, not for him to tell me everything he's done and expect me to sort through it all. I can't imagine any employer looking a 16 page CV and not binning it (or asking for a relevant one as I have done) although I guess I'm wrong there because the guy is still being employed!
That was my point! Gosh, that's the whole point of the article and this thread: 2 pages is more than enough: if they want more they can (and will) ask.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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That was my point! Gosh, that's the whole point of the article and this thread: 2 pages is more than enough: if they want more they can (and will) ask.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Maybe I'm just having a dumb day!:) My CV/Resume goes all the way back so is quite long. Generally a CV/Resume is okay at 2-3 pages but there is no reason not to submit the Full Monty: the agent or employer will discard or disregard anything that they don't feel is up to date or relevant but let that be their decision to do so, not yours. How is that not telling someone with a 16 page CV to submit a 16 page CV? To me that says if you have 2-3 pages thats ok but if you have 16 pages then well what the hell, send it in anyway!
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Just received a 16 page CV from a applicant - is it just me or is that way too much? fair enough most of his career has been as a contract programmer and he's done a lot of jobs but he's listed every single project he's worked on (as far as I can see) some of them only a couple of weeks long. My first thought was 'I can't be arsed to read all this'
Mine is pretty long but I have a summary at the top. The problem is half of the reviewers want short and concise and the other half want, "Details, give me details. I want to read about your past projects!". Besides, you don't have to read it. Programmers skim. Read titles pick a random project on each page and go.
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