mosque in South Tower before and during 9-11
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/nyregion/11religion.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=mosque%20in%20south%20tower&st=cse[^] It's funny how over time more information about this whole issue comes out.
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Islam is not a religion of peace. They will kill you deader than a hammer for drawing their prophet, or destroying their book. They have no tolerance for Jews or Christians, once they get the numbers like they have in the middle east, sharia law will be the supreme law of the land.
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Islam is not a religion of peace. They will kill you deader than a hammer for drawing their prophet, or destroying their book. They have no tolerance for Jews or Christians, once they get the numbers like they have in the middle east, sharia law will be the supreme law of the land.
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On the contrary, I'm not as suggestible and malleable as you are. However, I am interested in what makes your minds tick and what information you are being fed so I can make psychological assessments of the enemy.
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On the contrary, I'm not as suggestible and malleable as you are. However, I am interested in what makes your minds tick and what information you are being fed so I can make psychological assessments of the enemy.
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I haven't suggested that you are suggestible or malleable. If fact I am suggesting that you are closed minded and impervious to reason. You ignorant repetition of Faux News claims about Islam support that conclusion.
I rarely visit fox news, your basis for me being closed minded is your own bigotry and hatred towards a news agency that is owned by News Corp which owns about 100 other news papers around the world. The Kingdom Foundation, funder of the Ground Zero Mosque is run by Alwaleed bin Talal, second largest shareholder in Fox News.
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I am waiting to find out just how the buildings came down so easilly. At the time I was shocked at how they just collapsed. An airplane is an insignificant thing to a building. Many buildings have been hit by planes, none to my knowledge have collapsed (Soon after 9 11 a plane in Italy hit a uilding, then there was the Dutch plane that crashed into a tower bock in Amsterdam years ago). And given the buildings were supposedly designed to withstand a plane crash. Well, its just very surprising that they came down so fast. I shudder to think that the US gov/big business had a hand in it, but I wouldnt put it past the Americans. Nothing is more important than profit to them.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I saw the paper posted by Ravel, but I had heard something different. I had heard it was designed to withstand a 747 size impact (which that paper seems to suggest it wasn't). What I saw on the news afterwards was that it was designed properly, but not executed properly. The problem, as was reported, was with the insulation. Instead of using the insulation in the designs, it was constructed with spray-on insulation. The force of the impact caused a shockwave that literally blew all of the insulation off. This left the structural metal without any heat protection which lead to the weakening of the members and eventually the collapse of the building. But I'm sure there are other reports out there as to the cause of the collapse.
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I rarely visit fox news, your basis for me being closed minded is your own bigotry and hatred towards a news agency that is owned by News Corp which owns about 100 other news papers around the world. The Kingdom Foundation, funder of the Ground Zero Mosque is run by Alwaleed bin Talal, second largest shareholder in Fox News.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
your basis for me being closed minded
My basis is your ignorance of Islam and your mindless repetion of Faux News talking points.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
bigotry and hatred
:laugh:
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
towards a news agency
:laugh: It's nothing more than the propaganda arm of the republican party.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The Kingdom Foundation, funder of the Ground Zero Mosque
Not a mosque and not at ground zero. So, more ingorant repetion of wingnut talking points.
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Islam is not a religion of peace. They will kill you deader than a hammer for drawing their prophet, or destroying their book. They have no tolerance for Jews or Christians, once they get the numbers like they have in the middle east, sharia law will be the supreme law of the land.
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How little you know about other religions... I'm jewish and let me tell you again, you're wrong, you just keep failing, you will look more intelligent if you just leave this thread and say nothing else
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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How little you know about other religions... I'm jewish and let me tell you again, you're wrong, you just keep failing, you will look more intelligent if you just leave this thread and say nothing else
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
You are an ignorant Jew. Ignorant Jews get beheaded by islamisists and get loaded up in concentration camps.
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You are an ignorant Jew. Ignorant Jews get beheaded by islamisists and get loaded up in concentration camps.
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Si this is how the intelligent, owner of the truth replies back... no arguments, just insulting when you can't say anything? yep, you call me ignorant when you only show your ignorance to others... GOOD JOB!!! now go and cash your welfare check
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I saw the paper posted by Ravel, but I had heard something different. I had heard it was designed to withstand a 747 size impact (which that paper seems to suggest it wasn't). What I saw on the news afterwards was that it was designed properly, but not executed properly. The problem, as was reported, was with the insulation. Instead of using the insulation in the designs, it was constructed with spray-on insulation. The force of the impact caused a shockwave that literally blew all of the insulation off. This left the structural metal without any heat protection which lead to the weakening of the members and eventually the collapse of the building. But I'm sure there are other reports out there as to the cause of the collapse.
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Si this is how the intelligent, owner of the truth replies back... no arguments, just insulting when you can't say anything? yep, you call me ignorant when you only show your ignorance to others... GOOD JOB!!! now go and cash your welfare check
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
You are not interested in real debate, so I just shoot BBs at your monkey ass and watch you jump up and down.
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Facts are remarkably anti-American to some folks. I really thought the whole, 'Reality has a well-known liberal bias' thing was a joke, I'm starting to wonder these days. Another fun fact, Muslims existed before 9/11. I know people who don't realize that.
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Another fun fact, Muslims existed before 9/11. I know people who don't realize that.
That'd be really funny if it weren't so sad.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Thanks that link was very illustrative. I'd understood the pancaking domino affect, but not engineering reasoning behind it.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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I am waiting to find out just how the buildings came down so easilly. At the time I was shocked at how they just collapsed. An airplane is an insignificant thing to a building. Many buildings have been hit by planes, none to my knowledge have collapsed (Soon after 9 11 a plane in Italy hit a uilding, then there was the Dutch plane that crashed into a tower bock in Amsterdam years ago). And given the buildings were supposedly designed to withstand a plane crash. Well, its just very surprising that they came down so fast. I shudder to think that the US gov/big business had a hand in it, but I wouldnt put it past the Americans. Nothing is more important than profit to them.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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I am waiting to find out just how the buildings came down so easilly. At the time I was shocked at how they just collapsed. An airplane is an insignificant thing to a building. Many buildings have been hit by planes, none to my knowledge have collapsed (Soon after 9 11 a plane in Italy hit a uilding, then there was the Dutch plane that crashed into a tower bock in Amsterdam years ago). And given the buildings were supposedly designed to withstand a plane crash. Well, its just very surprising that they came down so fast. I shudder to think that the US gov/big business had a hand in it, but I wouldnt put it past the Americans. Nothing is more important than profit to them.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
I shudder to think that the US gov/big business had a hand in it, but I wouldnt put it past the Americans. Nothing is more important than profit to them.
You're losing your touch. Surely you can come up with a more effective troll than this?
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Having a degree in engineering and working in destructive testing for several years, the building collapse is as expected. Note that there are many reasons a building will or will not collapse, size of plane, where plane hits, type of construction, etc. Also note I have not done the calculations but have read reports on the collapse and talked to structural engineers.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/nyregion/11religion.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=mosque%20in%20south%20tower&st=cse[^] It's funny how over time more information about this whole issue comes out.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Yep, read about this last week. You know, at first I wasn't sure if the Park51 center was a good idea, but I'm pretty firmly in support of it. Especially if, as they say, it'll have those "prayer spaces" for different religions, not just one for Muslims. Sends a good message of cooperation. I may not subscribe to any religions, but I support the right to practice them, since the same right guarantees my ability NOT to practice any... As the Pagans say, "An it harms none, do what ye will."
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Many people forget about building 7. The building was not hit by a plane, it just had a small fire in it and then suddenly free-fell perfectly without warning.
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And the building which apparently collapsed, and as the reporter was saying that it had collapsed it was actually visible and clearly standing in the background! And also the lack of any bits of the airplane that supposedly crashed into the pentagon, I googled it and found this pic: http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/911/pentagon-aerial.jpg[^] Certainly not a big enough hole for an airplane crash, looks more like a small explosion to me.
"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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And the building which apparently collapsed, and as the reporter was saying that it had collapsed it was actually visible and clearly standing in the background! And also the lack of any bits of the airplane that supposedly crashed into the pentagon, I googled it and found this pic: http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/911/pentagon-aerial.jpg[^] Certainly not a big enough hole for an airplane crash, looks more like a small explosion to me.
"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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And the building which apparently collapsed, and as the reporter was saying that it had collapsed it was actually visible and clearly standing in the background!
Yeah, I seen that. :doh:
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