Go back to your tin-pot Mussolini-constructed principality, and don't come back!
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I do dislike this wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed sentiment. Dawkins should say what he really thinks! :) I agree with him though, why should we stump up millions for a visit by a man who can well afford to pay for his own trip? If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round. Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Tch! Godwins Law!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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(Richard Dawkins' message to the pope) Go Dawkers!
I'm guessing that this will get punted to the SoapBox or BackRoom pretty soon though it got my 5. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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(Richard Dawkins' message to the pope) Go Dawkers!
Constantine give him a state, not Mussolini (OK, it was a fake donation...) :rolleyes:
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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I do dislike this wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed sentiment. Dawkins should say what he really thinks! :) I agree with him though, why should we stump up millions for a visit by a man who can well afford to pay for his own trip? If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round. Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Say what you mean! You are, in this instance, correct :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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(Richard Dawkins' message to the pope) Go Dawkers!
In no way will I defend the Pope or agree with Dawkins [who I think is a twat], but this whole visit is getting beyond a joke. This morning, the square outside Westminster Cathedral was being washed down for the third time in a week using steam cleaners. He was not pleased :laugh: . The area bounded by Victoria - Pimlico - Millbank will be under police shut-down, I am not joking, from tomorrow. No entry or exit without positive photographic ID and proof of residence with a recent bill or bank statement. Yup I need to prove I live in the area to leave it; go figure. Parking has been suspended in the area for three days. So the entire area is not allowed out but now has nowhere to leave their cars. Mrs Wife IS a Catholic and she and FIL are going to the Vigil at Hide Park on Saturday. No drinks or food are allowed and they have to be there TWO HOURS before the service. I'm statying home with the girls and a nice bottle [or two] of wine.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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I do dislike this wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed sentiment. Dawkins should say what he really thinks! :) I agree with him though, why should we stump up millions for a visit by a man who can well afford to pay for his own trip? If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round. Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
Uhm... What an excellent Italian PM would he be! :)
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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That's Dawkins for you - ever the voice of moderation and tolerance! Not that he's wrong, you understand, just that he's as bad as the religious nuts... :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
Well said that Welshman!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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In no way will I defend the Pope or agree with Dawkins [who I think is a twat], but this whole visit is getting beyond a joke. This morning, the square outside Westminster Cathedral was being washed down for the third time in a week using steam cleaners. He was not pleased :laugh: . The area bounded by Victoria - Pimlico - Millbank will be under police shut-down, I am not joking, from tomorrow. No entry or exit without positive photographic ID and proof of residence with a recent bill or bank statement. Yup I need to prove I live in the area to leave it; go figure. Parking has been suspended in the area for three days. So the entire area is not allowed out but now has nowhere to leave their cars. Mrs Wife IS a Catholic and she and FIL are going to the Vigil at Hide Park on Saturday. No drinks or food are allowed and they have to be there TWO HOURS before the service. I'm statying home with the girls and a nice bottle [or two] of wine.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
I'm statying home with the girls and a nice bottle [or two] of wine.
You need the bread too. :rolleyes:
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
I'm statying home with the girls and a nice bottle [or two] of wine.
You need the bread too. :rolleyes:
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
[My articles]CPallini wrote:
You need the bread too
Yay! The new and ever lasting covenent! Blood of Christ? Don't mind if I do squire!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
I'm statying home with the girls and a nice bottle [or two] of wine.
You need the bread too. :rolleyes:
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
[My articles]If there are loaves, there had better be fish. So his afternoon will consist of wine and tuna sandwiches.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
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That's Dawkins for you - ever the voice of moderation and tolerance! Not that he's wrong, you understand, just that he's as bad as the religious nuts... :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
Indeed he is. He's as hypocritical as those he attacks. His stance is that religious types are all zealots and bigots, and he's just as bad. The problem is, he's more articulate.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Tch! Godwins Law!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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I do dislike this wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed sentiment. Dawkins should say what he really thinks! :) I agree with him though, why should we stump up millions for a visit by a man who can well afford to pay for his own trip? If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round. Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
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I do dislike this wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed sentiment. Dawkins should say what he really thinks! :) I agree with him though, why should we stump up millions for a visit by a man who can well afford to pay for his own trip? If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round. Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
On the plus side - a nice range of silly hats though. Rich
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I do dislike this wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed sentiment. Dawkins should say what he really thinks! :) I agree with him though, why should we stump up millions for a visit by a man who can well afford to pay for his own trip? If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round. Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
Dave mate. I expected better of you than that. That's positively Daily Mail.
Dalek Dave wrote:
He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice.
Errm - that would be the parents.
Dalek Dave wrote:
If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round.
They already have. Catholics raised funds for the visit because there was such a debate over whether or not it should be funded as a state or religious visit. The true cost of the visit would be far higher without this contribution.
Dalek Dave wrote:
is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children),
Again, I'm disappointed with you on this - had you left it at the none bracketed part, I'd have had no qualms, but you are guilty here of tarring all priests with the same brush and this is just bigotted pandering to the populist press. This is the same argument as the "all men are rapists" argument, and you wouldn't agree with that one would you? I don't care how many downvotes this attracts.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Dalek Dave wrote:
He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
Dave mate. I expected better of you than that. That's positively Daily Mail.
Dalek Dave wrote:
He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice.
Errm - that would be the parents.
Dalek Dave wrote:
If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round.
They already have. Catholics raised funds for the visit because there was such a debate over whether or not it should be funded as a state or religious visit. The true cost of the visit would be far higher without this contribution.
Dalek Dave wrote:
is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children),
Again, I'm disappointed with you on this - had you left it at the none bracketed part, I'd have had no qualms, but you are guilty here of tarring all priests with the same brush and this is just bigotted pandering to the populist press. This is the same argument as the "all men are rapists" argument, and you wouldn't agree with that one would you? I don't care how many downvotes this attracts.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
I shall not downvote, but answer. His attitude to birth control and the protection of prophylactics condems millions to disease and poverty. If that is not a crime against humanity then it bloody well ought to be. The parents teach the children, true, but at the behest of the church, who insist on bible classes and confirmations, and, certainly in my experience, the priest visits the parents to make sure the children are pushed into these things. So yes, Parents, but at the insistance of this criminal organisation. I am glad the catholics are paying, but as an atheist, why am I paying? I do not want him here, I do not wish to pay, but sadly I cannot withhold my tax. Therefore money is being Stolen from the State to pay for the Godfather of the Religious Mafia. I can tar the entire church with this brush. It is too well spread. Apart from the priests that commit the crimes, there are others who collude, and yet more who cover up. There is misdirection and smear, and priests moved so as to keep the issue hidden. This is not a few bad apples, this is a high reaching and known act. They are complicit. Look at Belgium this week!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
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I do dislike this wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed sentiment. Dawkins should say what he really thinks! :) I agree with him though, why should we stump up millions for a visit by a man who can well afford to pay for his own trip? If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round. Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
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Dalek Dave wrote:
He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
Dave mate. I expected better of you than that. That's positively Daily Mail.
Dalek Dave wrote:
He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice.
Errm - that would be the parents.
Dalek Dave wrote:
If the people who believe in his fantasies wish him to come, maybe they could have a whip round.
They already have. Catholics raised funds for the visit because there was such a debate over whether or not it should be funded as a state or religious visit. The true cost of the visit would be far higher without this contribution.
Dalek Dave wrote:
is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children),
Again, I'm disappointed with you on this - had you left it at the none bracketed part, I'd have had no qualms, but you are guilty here of tarring all priests with the same brush and this is just bigotted pandering to the populist press. This is the same argument as the "all men are rapists" argument, and you wouldn't agree with that one would you? I don't care how many downvotes this attracts.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
tarring all priests with the same brush
That somehow reminded me of a Father Ted quote: "We're not all like that. Say if there's two hundred million priests in the world, and 5% of them are pedophiles-- that's still only ten million!"
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I shall not downvote, but answer. His attitude to birth control and the protection of prophylactics condems millions to disease and poverty. If that is not a crime against humanity then it bloody well ought to be. The parents teach the children, true, but at the behest of the church, who insist on bible classes and confirmations, and, certainly in my experience, the priest visits the parents to make sure the children are pushed into these things. So yes, Parents, but at the insistance of this criminal organisation. I am glad the catholics are paying, but as an atheist, why am I paying? I do not want him here, I do not wish to pay, but sadly I cannot withhold my tax. Therefore money is being Stolen from the State to pay for the Godfather of the Religious Mafia. I can tar the entire church with this brush. It is too well spread. Apart from the priests that commit the crimes, there are others who collude, and yet more who cover up. There is misdirection and smear, and priests moved so as to keep the issue hidden. This is not a few bad apples, this is a high reaching and known act. They are complicit. Look at Belgium this week!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
I can tar the entire church with this brush. It is too well spread. Apart from the priests that commit the crimes, there are others who collude, and yet more who cover up. There is misdirection and smear, and priests moved so as to keep the issue hidden. This is not a few bad apples, this is a high reaching and known act. They are complicit. Look at Belgium this week!
Dave - rape and subjugation of women is widespread. Does that mean that all men should be tarred with the same brush? Of course it doesn't. Does it mean that the Catholic Church shouldn't hang it's head in shame for the breach of trust that it is guilty of? Of course it doesn't. Does that mean that all priests are kiddy-fiddlers? Of course it doesn't. Try and bring the argument down to a none-hyperbolic level please.
Dalek Dave wrote:
I am glad the catholics are paying, but as an atheist, why am I paying?
And when the US president visited, why did those who disagreed with his stance in Iraq pay? Because it's customary to foot the bill of a visit from a head of state - and whether you or I like it or not, the Pope is the head of a state.
Dalek Dave wrote:
The parents teach the children, true, but at the behest of the church, who insist on bible classes and confirmations, and, certainly in my experience, the priest visits the parents to make sure the children are pushed into these things.
I've never been visited by a priest. Perhaps they are more militant in Luton.
Dalek Dave wrote:
as an atheist, why am I paying
And there's the rub - atheists do tend to be as bad at shouting out. It's the religion of anti-religion, and adherents tend to be as vocal as adherents of any religion.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I can tar the entire church with this brush. It is too well spread. Apart from the priests that commit the crimes, there are others who collude, and yet more who cover up. There is misdirection and smear, and priests moved so as to keep the issue hidden. This is not a few bad apples, this is a high reaching and known act. They are complicit. Look at Belgium this week!
Dave - rape and subjugation of women is widespread. Does that mean that all men should be tarred with the same brush? Of course it doesn't. Does it mean that the Catholic Church shouldn't hang it's head in shame for the breach of trust that it is guilty of? Of course it doesn't. Does that mean that all priests are kiddy-fiddlers? Of course it doesn't. Try and bring the argument down to a none-hyperbolic level please.
Dalek Dave wrote:
I am glad the catholics are paying, but as an atheist, why am I paying?
And when the US president visited, why did those who disagreed with his stance in Iraq pay? Because it's customary to foot the bill of a visit from a head of state - and whether you or I like it or not, the Pope is the head of a state.
Dalek Dave wrote:
The parents teach the children, true, but at the behest of the church, who insist on bible classes and confirmations, and, certainly in my experience, the priest visits the parents to make sure the children are pushed into these things.
I've never been visited by a priest. Perhaps they are more militant in Luton.
Dalek Dave wrote:
as an atheist, why am I paying
And there's the rub - atheists do tend to be as bad at shouting out. It's the religion of anti-religion, and adherents tend to be as vocal as adherents of any religion.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's the religion
Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
