Go back to your tin-pot Mussolini-constructed principality, and don't come back!
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viaducting wrote:
it is possible to live a loving, moral, caring life without reference to, or indeed a need for, any external supernatural being
Well, this is not so simple. I mean, of course it is possible. But beliefs in God(s) come from a time where you could chop the head off someone who you did not agree with, and the supernatural fear brought by religion and almighty God(s) were a good way to calm people down (or to use them for religious wars, granted). Today, in our occidental cultures, I think that what you think is true. But then not for everybody and not in everyplace. And a lot of people are moral because they were taught as such by their parents when they were kids, e.g. this is also some kind of "forcing". What people are seeking into religion today has nothing to do with fear of not going to heaven after death, and that is what most people bashing about religion forgets. They still see religious people as brainless beings who think almighty God(s) can come and save them. That's completely missing the point, IMHO.
Rage wrote:
Well, this is not so simple.
Actually, it is. What is better, living by non-religious morals based on what makes for a stable, peaceful society in the 21st Century, or living by a massively-outdated moral code invented by primitive herdsmen of the kind that would have you stoning someone for growing two different types of plants in one field? I know what I'd rather follow.
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Ooh someone 1'ed Mr Wabbit! Have a five to make it better. :)
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Why, thankee sirra.
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My Ire is directed solely at the Power Structure that runs the Protection Racket that is Organised Religion, not to the poor people forced into it.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
My Ire is directed solely at the Power Structure that runs the Protection Racket that is Organised Religion, not to the poor people forced into it.
Hear hear. Well said that man:thumbsup:
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Rage wrote:
Well, this is not so simple.
Actually, it is. What is better, living by non-religious morals based on what makes for a stable, peaceful society in the 21st Century, or living by a massively-outdated moral code invented by primitive herdsmen of the kind that would have you stoning someone for growing two different types of plants in one field? I know what I'd rather follow.
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To me the point is that it is possible to live a loving, moral, caring life without reference to, or indeed a need for, any external supernatural being. Morals don't have to be imposed on you from outside, by following the myths and legends of 2-3000 year old nomadic herdsmen. It is quite possible prevent yourself from going around murdering, raping and looting without the fear of something unpleasant happening to you in the afterlife.
I agree entirely and there are countless examples of such people. But that does not preclude anyone else from following the same sort of life supported by a faith. I think we can all agree that there is good and bad in every society, social or ethnic grouping.
It's time for a new signature.
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It got my 5 as well. Oh well, I also seem to have attracted the univoters - I don't mind in this case. It's entertaining. :-D
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Personally I do not think this country should associate itself with a group that habitually sexually abuses children, then denies it does so, hides away and transfers those who have been discovered doing so rather than reporting them to the authorities, that has no regard for the mental well being of its female members, that acts to vicariously spread HIV and other STDs, that condemns homosexuality as a sin and yet is lead by men who do not have sex (except with children), (Odd, they say that sex with another man is against gods will and also say sex is a gift from god, yet not having sex is the truly unnatural thing to do!), and they have a chief executive who was sieg heiling the Fuhrer as a member of the Hitler Youth. He then insists on the mental corruption of millions by forcing scripture and dogma and cant down the throats of children before those children have a chance to grow wise enough to make a choice. He should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
Uhm... What an excellent Italian PM would he be! :)
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[My articles]You really like Berlusconi, don’t you? :-D
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You really like Berlusconi, don’t you? :-D
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Yes! :laugh: Do you like him? BTW just his role is wrong: he is would be a GREAT comedian.
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Yes! :laugh: Do you like him? BTW just his role is wrong: he is would be a GREAT comedian.
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This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
[My articles]Our PM is absolutely the same “air under pressure”. Probably that’s way they are friends.
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Our PM is absolutely the same “air under pressure”. Probably that’s way they are friends.
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Wow, Mr B. and his PM friends, what a fantastic group of comedians (a bit scaring, though)! :-D
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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Wow, Mr B. and his PM friends, what a fantastic group of comedians (a bit scaring, though)! :-D
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
[My articles]Yeah and they are both suspected in unhealthy close relation with the “grey economy”. At least yours is looking like a Godfather, since ours is more like a low level body-guard; in fact he used to be one. X|
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