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  • J janocho

    I'm creating API/SDK documentation and I would like to see what matters most to developers when using an API/SDK? What is most useful? important?

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    puromtec1
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    A developer forum!! But with an auto-ip-banning mechanism for using the words plz, codez, vb, HELP!!!, urgentz, 'assignment' or the like in order to keep out the riff raff.

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    • J janocho

      I'm creating API/SDK documentation and I would like to see what matters most to developers when using an API/SDK? What is most useful? important?

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      Marc Clifton
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      janocho wrote:

      and I would like to see what matters most to developers when using an API/SDK? What is most useful? important?

      API/SDK documentation is NOT like a woman. Don't give me the silent treatment, don't expect me to know all the answers, and above all, communicate what your (the SDK's) needs are, I don't want to have to guess! Marc

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      • A AspDotNetDev

        Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

        Inside joke

        Wish I could vote your post a 7.

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        Mycroft Holmes
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        How about I help you, you give it 5 and I'll give it 2, Ok.

        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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        • M Mycroft Holmes

          How about I help you, you give it 5 and I'll give it 2, Ok.

          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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          AspDotNetDev
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          Too late, it seems it already has 3 5's. Can you give it a negative 8?

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          • A AspDotNetDev

            Too late, it seems it already has 3 5's. Can you give it a negative 8?

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            Mycroft Holmes
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            Damn the negative does not work, honest I pressed the -

            Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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            • J janocho

              I'm creating API/SDK documentation and I would like to see what matters most to developers when using an API/SDK? What is most useful? important?

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              peterchen
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              The "old" MSDN did each topic in three parts: Purpose and Concepts ("About API"), Sample scenarios ("Using API") and a reference. I liked that style very much. Though I usually started with the the function reference, feeling lost i could refer to the other parts. The "Using" scenarios were carefully selected samples, not only demonstrating the use, but also highlighting the intentions. (Today they are proud of having a not-just-generated-boilerplate reference linking to a code snippet where it's used - whther or not that sample makes any sense, doesn't seem to matter much. But maybe they are just responding to the demands of the swarming drones of mediocrity. ) From the API: usefulness, consistency, robustness (that is, doing the right thing is easy, doing the wrong thing is hard). From the documentation I expect to point out where this is not the case. My minimum requirement for reference is a purpose of each entity (class, method, ...): why does it exist and why should I care?

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              • M Marc Clifton

                janocho wrote:

                and I would like to see what matters most to developers when using an API/SDK? What is most useful? important?

                API/SDK documentation is NOT like a woman. Don't give me the silent treatment, don't expect me to know all the answers, and above all, communicate what your (the SDK's) needs are, I don't want to have to guess! Marc

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                Daniel Casserly
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                As well as not having a mother in law!! :)

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                • J janocho

                  I'm creating API/SDK documentation and I would like to see what matters most to developers when using an API/SDK? What is most useful? important?

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                  M i s t e r L i s t e r
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                  how about good samples that actually work ?

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                  • J janocho

                    I'm creating API/SDK documentation and I would like to see what matters most to developers when using an API/SDK? What is most useful? important?

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                    Chris Trelawny Ross
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                    Good 'see also' cross reference information. All too often when I'm using the MSDN library, the info for a class/method is all very well, but shows no awareness of typical situations when it would be used, and therefore omits useful links to other topics that are commonly related. This kind of cross reference requires the doc author to actually think - because I'm not asking for a link to the documentation for return type / parameter type of the method I'm looking at (which is necessary, but is also obviously important and useful); what I'm asking for is links that anticipate the likely uses a type / method / etc. will have, and what else a program may be doing that is related.

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                    • T Tom Delany

                      Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                      Simple Samples. Ie, If I want to know how to write to a database using ADO.NET I do not want to wade through 3000 lines of codes in a complex scenario, I just want the 5 lines.

                      Simple samples, but not "trivial" samples. The thing I hate about a lot of the stuff on MSDN is that they often only give examples for the obvious cases. For example, if there is an API call that has several overloads, they only give examples for the ones that are already fairly obvious/straightforward, and totally ignore examples for the more interesting/obscure cases (which invariably seem to be the ones that I'd most like to see a sample for). I hate that. X|

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                      >There are 10 kinds of people in the world: People... I love your signature. I used to use it all the time. Jon Jacobs This message was composed of recycled electrons.

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                      • J janocho

                        I'm creating API/SDK documentation and I would like to see what matters most to developers when using an API/SDK? What is most useful? important?

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                        Michael Kingsford Gray
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                        Examples, then more examples, followed by TESTED examples.

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                          >There are 10 kinds of people in the world: People... I love your signature. I used to use it all the time. Jon Jacobs This message was composed of recycled electrons.

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                          Tom Delany
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                          Thanks :)

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                          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                            1. Accuracy in the intellisense. 2) Appropriately named methods 3) If a object requires a complex set of objects to be created first, a factory 4) Simple Samples. Ie, If I want to know how to write to a database using ADO.NET I do not want to wade through 3000 lines of codes in a complex scenario, I just want the 5 lines. 5) Make sure your samples compile 6) Obviousness is important. Is something obviously should behave one way and behaves another, fix it or have a really really good explanation way 7) Inside joke

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                            eslsys
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                            Great list. If I could expand on 4) Simple Samples. I would comprehensive simple samples. Break down the API into it the chunks of functionality it provides and give a simple sample for each. Make sure it compiles !! Tell me if it will fit my environment early on, I dont want to read through a ton of documentation to find that its only compatible with, for example, .Net framework 2.0

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