Tools Of The Past
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As made apparent by the way that everyone could magically tell that you were kidding, right ?
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :rolleyes: :doh: Oops... overused tools of the present...
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :rolleyes: :doh: Oops... overused tools of the present...
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There are people who I consider to be tools of the present, but you're not one of them.
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Ah yes I remember them well...especially the French Curve. :)
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Mike Hankey wrote:
I remember them well...especially the French Curve.
Reminds me of Fraser Island a few years back... where we camp is on one side of a cutting (deep sand access point between the beach and behind the sand dunes), and the other side of the cutting is used by backpackers... lots of them!! Afternoon drinks and nibblies were spent sitting on top of the dunes watching backpacker vehicles get bogged in the soft sand, so 10 backpackers would pile out the back and either push, or come stand with us... Which brings me to the French curves... I was standing with drink in hand watching, and this little french hottie wearing next to nothing sidles up beside me and starts chatting me up... I was flattered, but of course, my own little hottie wearing next to nothing was standing about 3 feet away and thought it was hilarious, as all the blokes were just about drooling over this little french piece... Ah, good times... it still rates a mention at home from time to time...
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
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Roger Wright wrote:
it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program
In my experience (maybe not as advanced as yours) this is a 'mostly, but not always'. I do agree that most diagramming software is not as fast to use as a template with pen and paper, but here's some exceptions. XMind - faster for knocking up mind maps (pardon that stupid term) than by hand. Google SketchUp - for just straight out drafting (or draughting) - It took me about 2 hours to figure out SketchUp's quirks and then another 4 or so hours to really get used to it. After that I found I simply couldn't draw anything as fast by hand as I could with SketchUp. Every now and then I go back to a 'proper' CAD package like AutoCAD or a design package like Visio and just find it really frustrating to just get a drawing done.
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I still own one of the IBM templates. And the mathematic one. And one of the steel erasing guides. And a triangle. And a protractor. And the first two French curves (but not the last one, alas).
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Fold With Us![^]Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
I still own one of the IBM templates.
Me too - and the HIPO one as well, I think (not shown) - but day to day I use a late '80s copy - essentially an IBM compatible. :)
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
They're not as good at undo and cut-and-paste though.
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
I still own one of the IBM templates.
Me too - and the HIPO one as well, I think (not shown) - but day to day I use a late '80s copy - essentially an IBM compatible. :)
I need to get me a HPOA one, like the last one in that image. ;)
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There are people who I consider to be tools of the present, but you're not one of them.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
There are people who I consider to be tools
I wonder if that is Oz slang or it has the same implications in other english speaking countries.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
I sheepishly admit that I owned, at one point or another, each of those; expect that last one, mainly becaused I worked on computers and not WWII aircraft. I mean, sheese, I'm not THAT old. Oh. Sorry Roger. *snicker*
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Christian Graus wrote:
There are people who I consider to be tools
I wonder if that is Oz slang or it has the same implications in other english speaking countries.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I wonder if that is Oz slang or it has the same implications in other english speaking countries.
If you would be happy about me calling you a tool, then no, it doesn't... ;-) Tool and Richard would be interchangeable...
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I wonder if that is Oz slang or it has the same implications in other english speaking countries.
If you would be happy about me calling you a tool, then no, it doesn't... ;-) Tool and Richard would be interchangeable...
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Over here they would not understand the implications of that, however that is going to cost you a beer next time I'm in Brisbane. Lucky for you I only pass over it when going between Cairns and Sydney.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Over here they would not understand the implications of that, however that is going to cost you a beer next time I'm in Brisbane. Lucky for you I only pass over it when going between Cairns and Sydney.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Well, I'm happy to buy you a beer if you come to Brisbane... Of course, we'd probably need to meet up for that to happen... although I was in Cairns in April, and I don't recall you buying me a bourbon!! ;-)
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Well, I'm happy to buy you a beer if you come to Brisbane... Of course, we'd probably need to meet up for that to happen... although I was in Cairns in April, and I don't recall you buying me a bourbon!! ;-)
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In April I was in Singapore, I get to Cairns and Sydney a couple of times a year to see the family otherwise it is work in SG.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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In April I was in Singapore, I get to Cairns and Sydney a couple of times a year to see the family otherwise it is work in SG.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I noted you were in Singapore after posting my last message and stalking you checking out your profile.
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Ah yes I remember them well...especially the French Curve. :)
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Roger Wright wrote:
it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program
In my experience (maybe not as advanced as yours) this is a 'mostly, but not always'. I do agree that most diagramming software is not as fast to use as a template with pen and paper, but here's some exceptions. XMind - faster for knocking up mind maps (pardon that stupid term) than by hand. Google SketchUp - for just straight out drafting (or draughting) - It took me about 2 hours to figure out SketchUp's quirks and then another 4 or so hours to really get used to it. After that I found I simply couldn't draw anything as fast by hand as I could with SketchUp. Every now and then I go back to a 'proper' CAD package like AutoCAD or a design package like Visio and just find it really frustrating to just get a drawing done.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Sadly, I'm forced to use AutoCAD at work, mainly because I have to distribute my designs to various government agencies. It's an absolute horror to learn, though I've been getting much better over the years. There are definite advantages to using CAD - precision, colored layers, permanence of documents, and of course, ability to distribute widely. But when the boss tells me he wants a complete design of a substation next Tuesday I really miss my pencil. :sigh:
Will Rogers never met me.
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They're not as good at undo and cut-and-paste though.
I've got an electric eraser, scissors, and a jar of paste that work nicely. ;P But I have a bad habit of running with scissors, so it's probably safer for everyone if I stick to AutoCAD.
Will Rogers never met me.
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I sheepishly admit that I owned, at one point or another, each of those; expect that last one, mainly becaused I worked on computers and not WWII aircraft. I mean, sheese, I'm not THAT old. Oh. Sorry Roger. *snicker*
:..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTLAll of my WWII aircraft were built from balsa wood and tissue paper, so I'm not too offended. :-D I admit to owning all of those templates at one time or another, excepting the last one. For those images I prefer photographs, anyway; a sketch doesn't bring out the subtleties of form and function like a warm, color photo.
Will Rogers never met me.
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
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But its the ability to transfer the data from the CAD program to a CNC tool to create the design that makes them so attractive.
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Yeah, I'm just waiting for one of those new 3D printers that's big enough to print me a substation... Maybe next year? :rolleyes:
Will Rogers never met me.
