Tools Of The Past
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I've got an electric eraser, scissors, and a jar of paste that work nicely. ;P But I have a bad habit of running with scissors, so it's probably safer for everyone if I stick to AutoCAD.
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But I have a bad habit of running with scissors, so it's probably safer for everyone if I stick to AutoCAD.
Given the per-seat price of AutoCAD ($565 at newegg), somehow I find that the more frightening choice.
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I think the last one was used by the person responsible for early Playboy Centerfold layouts :-D
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I still own one of the IBM templates. And the mathematic one. And one of the steel erasing guides. And a triangle. And a protractor. And the first two French curves (but not the last one, alas).
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Fold With Us![^]I still have an IBM Flowchart template as well, and a chemical one. (Hobbles off on Zimmer frame...)
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger, I'm taking a random shot in the dark asking you this but since you have been around for a while and clearly are familiar with diagraming I figure you'd possibly have a suggestion if not the answer. Do you know if there is a chart type (possibly something in VISIO) that one can use to diagram the flow of STORE PROCEDURE calls in the SQL language? Every chart type I’ve seen is either modeling the data relationship in teh tables or the data flow but for traditional programming languages and not SQL (specifically T-SQL since this would be for SQL Server) and so none of the provided types like variable types (i.e. STRING for VB verses VARCHAR/CHAR in SQL) are right and I'm not familiar enough with customizing VISIO to create a chart type myself. Any info or suggestions would b greatly appreciated. Thanks
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
Man, you're responsible for reviving a long forgotten memory. I remember almost every one of those templates. Well, I never knew what they were for, because when I used them I was a kid (ok, some of them I ended up using at school). My father owned so many of them and they have the same colors and wow... Real nice...
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These days we tend to take technology for granted, and most design is done using automated tools. Being an old fart, I spent most of my design career doing things the hard way - a pencil and paper. But that doesn't mean that we had no advanced technology to aid us. Back in the good old days we had Templates, lots of them! For those too young to remember, I offer the following sample of these high tech tools of old[^]. As a footnote, it is far faster to produce an electrical or mechanical design using these old fashioned widgets than with a modern CAD program, and they cost a few bucks each, rather than several thousand $$$ a copy. That's progress... :doh:
Will Rogers never met me.
A do use those "high tech tools of old" quite a lot myself. I do electronics too. They are handy for whipping together a quick schematic or front panel layout, etc, and they don't "blue screen" when you're 99.9% complete on an important project. But that "newfangled" computer sure makes it easy to go online and buy the parts to put that idea together :-) trucker_lady_curve(point[] pts) - Oren
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Roger, I'm taking a random shot in the dark asking you this but since you have been around for a while and clearly are familiar with diagraming I figure you'd possibly have a suggestion if not the answer. Do you know if there is a chart type (possibly something in VISIO) that one can use to diagram the flow of STORE PROCEDURE calls in the SQL language? Every chart type I’ve seen is either modeling the data relationship in teh tables or the data flow but for traditional programming languages and not SQL (specifically T-SQL since this would be for SQL Server) and so none of the provided types like variable types (i.e. STRING for VB verses VARCHAR/CHAR in SQL) are right and I'm not familiar enough with customizing VISIO to create a chart type myself. Any info or suggestions would b greatly appreciated. Thanks
I don't think I've ever seen such a thing. But there's no reason you can't invent it. A lot of the diagramming and flowcharting I did years ago were done without any standards, either because there weren't any, or I'd never been taught them. It all worked out fine, so long as I knew what each symbol meant, and communicated that meaning to others with a need to know. Go for it!
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I don't think I've ever seen such a thing. But there's no reason you can't invent it. A lot of the diagramming and flowcharting I did years ago were done without any standards, either because there weren't any, or I'd never been taught them. It all worked out fine, so long as I knew what each symbol meant, and communicated that meaning to others with a need to know. Go for it!
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One last question Roger. Any suggestion (URLs/Links) on some good Visio 'Built-it-Yourself' How-To artciles or similiar? I am a novie with Visio. Thanks
I wish I could find one! I've used it occasionally since 2003, and never found it a pleasant experience. It takes so damned long to make anything work, then looks terrible when I'm done - paper and pencil is easier and faster. For almost any charting activity of this sort, I use AutoCAD, since my employer has thoughtfully provided me with a copy. I would ask this question in the Lounge, if I were you. It's general enough that no one will attack you for asking a programming question, and most of the folks there have far more experience with such tools than I. I'll be watching to see what answers you receive! Good luck! :-D
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Sadly, I'm forced to use AutoCAD at work, mainly because I have to distribute my designs to various government agencies. It's an absolute horror to learn, though I've been getting much better over the years. There are definite advantages to using CAD - precision, colored layers, permanence of documents, and of course, ability to distribute widely. But when the boss tells me he wants a complete design of a substation next Tuesday I really miss my pencil. :sigh:
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You have my sympathy. AutoCAD has always been a pain to use, and with a woefully long learning curve. It only really works at its best when you have everything pre drawn and in a library. Assemble the bits to make a drawing then get it to automatically spit out the bill of materials. Apart from that I've just about every other CAD or drawing package I've tried yields better results faster.
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