Virus writers are ppl who work with AntiVirus companies ?
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I think you are nuts. Other things: 1. We did land on the moon. 2. There is no face on Mars. 3. Insert more lunatic conspiracy theories here. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Tim Smith wrote: 3. Insert more lunatic conspiracy theories here. Sorry but here you are wrong, I have proof too, will deliver in a brown envelope on the corner of 42nd and 51st streets.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Even though one of my good friends who works with a reputed AntiVirus cos say that they are just the firemen, I think its these companies themselves that write them in the first place. Looking at the complex way these viruses exploit vulnerabilities in applications and the OS and more importantly the HUGE business it generates for these cos, I think not every one is written by some crazy moron who has loads of time to kill. What do other ppl think ? Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
I agree with Daniel. It's realy too easy to write a virus, and I don't believe there's any need for these companies to write them. What's more, at University I've known 3 person who developed experimental virus, just for fun, and never released them. As a teacher at University I've heard about other people testing virus code too. Here at University there's a formal group named GISVI who specialices in System Security. This group started as a couple of friends studing and testing virus ten years ago. Considering the number of developers around the world and the number of viruses, I'm glad there aren't much more out there.
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Daniel Turini wrote: It's so easy to write a virus that I can't believe they need to write it. Its not abt how difficult or easy it is to write one, what I meant was the business it generates. Daniel Turini wrote: Besides that, it's like saying that police rob things to sell protecting services to you. Police dont charge for their services, its their job, some of these antivirus products cost a fortune. I am not saying its useless to buy an AV product, just speculating the possibility of their hands being dirty. :) Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
Ranjeet Chakraborty wrote: Police dont charge for their services, its their job, some of these antivirus products cost a fortune. I am not saying its useless to buy an AV product, just speculating the possibility of their hands being dirty. Yes, they charge. No one is working for free. And there's a BIG bunch of money involved. Following your theories, I think that police may be involved in most crimes. And private security services do, too. And they charge for their services. And who buys antivirus stuff anyway? Really, I program since I was 11, I used several computers and NONE until today have got infected with a single virus. There are three kind of people who gets viruses: 1. People who use pirated software 2. People who run software from a undetermined source. 3. People who think older software is better than newer software. Like "Hey, Micro~1 sucks. So I use an old Windows NT 4.0, without any service packs nor hotfixes, because it's more secure and service packs are buggy." No antivirus will ever substitute good security habits. And, you want to ruin a company? Just break your customer's trust. People who says that kind of thing normally does not have a clue of how a virus works and how it is disseminated. You don't need to create a virus for this people, just send FORMAT.COM by e-mail to them and they'll destroy their own machine. My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
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Even though one of my good friends who works with a reputed AntiVirus cos say that they are just the firemen, I think its these companies themselves that write them in the first place. Looking at the complex way these viruses exploit vulnerabilities in applications and the OS and more importantly the HUGE business it generates for these cos, I think not every one is written by some crazy moron who has loads of time to kill. What do other ppl think ? Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
Ranjeet Chakraborty wrote: What do other ppl think ? Well no duh! Of course they do! It is the same with Osama and Bush. Osama causes trouble so that Bush can keep on rolling. Same fundamental CRACKPOT WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING theory. On a serious note, the answer is still no and stop smoking whatever you are smoking, or go watch Conspiracy Theory again (you closet Mel fan you.) ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Ask Michael Dunn, he used to work for Symantec. :P I don't believe it for a second. Maybe in isolated cases, but not overall. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: Ask Michael Dunn, he used to work for Symantec. I think that he should ask John Simmons ;) My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
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Ranjeet Chakraborty wrote: What do other ppl think ? Well no duh! Of course they do! It is the same with Osama and Bush. Osama causes trouble so that Bush can keep on rolling. Same fundamental CRACKPOT WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING theory. On a serious note, the answer is still no and stop smoking whatever you are smoking, or go watch Conspiracy Theory again (you closet Mel fan you.) ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: go watch Conspiracy Theory That wasn't a bad movie. ;P Paul Watson wrote: stop smoking whatever you are smoking :laugh: Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
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You forgot crop circles !!! Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: You forgot crop circles !!! You mean Alien Navigation Beacons! Damnit Jim, use the correct terminology here, this isn't the 50s anymore, we have email from them even spelling out the correct Alien Terminology. Don't you know that beings who have travelled thousands of light years through vast stretches of space without an ear of corn in site need to flatten corn on Earth to stop them flying into mountains! :rolleyes: Signs taught me at least one thing... crop circles are just ridiculous!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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You forgot crop circles !!! Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Er... what about crop circles? How do those happen? Are they all secretly created by extremely bored and lonely farmers? Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
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You forgot crop circles !!! Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
What abt that french author's missile theory abt the third plane hitting the pentagon ? Mine wasn't so bad. ;P Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
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Paul Watson wrote: go watch Conspiracy Theory That wasn't a bad movie. ;P Paul Watson wrote: stop smoking whatever you are smoking :laugh: Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
Ranjeet Chakraborty wrote: That wasn't a bad movie. Oh I totally agree, twas a cool movie, enjoyed it immensely. Just was the only conspiracy movie I could come up with at the time. I am just denying my love for Mel Gibson, I have to or all of you really will think I am female.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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What abt that french author's missile theory abt the third plane hitting the pentagon ? Mine wasn't so bad. ;P Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
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Ranjeet Chakraborty wrote: That wasn't a bad movie. Oh I totally agree, twas a cool movie, enjoyed it immensely. Just was the only conspiracy movie I could come up with at the time. I am just denying my love for Mel Gibson, I have to or all of you really will think I am female.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: my love for Mel Gibson :omg::wtf: Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
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Er... what about crop circles? How do those happen? Are they all secretly created by extremely bored and lonely farmers? Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
Alvaro Mendez wrote: Er... what about crop circles? How do those happen? Are they all secretly created by extremely bored and lonely farmers? Gawds I can't believe you guys have not figured it out yet. Crop Circles, and please from now on they are Alien Navigational Beacons so please respect my masters wishes for the use of correct terminology, are created by genetically modified corn. Yes, GM foods. Genes extracted from VB loving wombats are implanted into corn and distributed around the world. Wombats are a known ally of the Aliens and have side kick *sic* links with the Alien Navigational Systems, or ANS. When ANS broadcasts certain signals the GM corn responds and bends to the encoded signals. The signals are an advanced form of XML run through Quantum Photonic Entanglement Encrypters, or QPEE (thought my masters jokingly refer to it as CP30, because George Lucas is one of them and they always like giving their mates a ribbing.) So now you know the truth. No wonder African countries do not want GM food.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: Er... what about crop circles? How do those happen? Are they all secretly created by extremely bored and lonely farmers? Gawds I can't believe you guys have not figured it out yet. Crop Circles, and please from now on they are Alien Navigational Beacons so please respect my masters wishes for the use of correct terminology, are created by genetically modified corn. Yes, GM foods. Genes extracted from VB loving wombats are implanted into corn and distributed around the world. Wombats are a known ally of the Aliens and have side kick *sic* links with the Alien Navigational Systems, or ANS. When ANS broadcasts certain signals the GM corn responds and bends to the encoded signals. The signals are an advanced form of XML run through Quantum Photonic Entanglement Encrypters, or QPEE (thought my masters jokingly refer to it as CP30, because George Lucas is one of them and they always like giving their mates a ribbing.) So now you know the truth. No wonder African countries do not want GM food.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: are created by genetically modified corn. Yes, GM foods. :-D:laugh: Paul Watson wrote: known ally of the Aliens and have side kick *sic* links with the Alien Navigational Systems, or ANS. When ANS broadcasts certain signals the GM corn responds and bends to the encoded signals. The signals are an advanced form of XML run through Quantum Photonic Entanglement Encrypters, or QPEE (thought my masters jokingly refer to it as :omg::wtf: Wow, paul you a genius, whatch you doing programming, you should come down here in Hollywood and make some movie.;P Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
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Er... what about crop circles? How do those happen? Are they all secretly created by extremely bored and lonely farmers? Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
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Even though one of my good friends who works with a reputed AntiVirus cos say that they are just the firemen, I think its these companies themselves that write them in the first place. Looking at the complex way these viruses exploit vulnerabilities in applications and the OS and more importantly the HUGE business it generates for these cos, I think not every one is written by some crazy moron who has loads of time to kill. What do other ppl think ? Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
Ranjeet Chakraborty wrote: I think its these companies themselves that write them in the first place. That statement is laughable. It would be both unethical and illegal for an AV company to write viruses. If a company ever did that, their reputation would be destroyed beyond repair. At Symantec, anyone caught doing that would be bounced out on their ass before they knew what hit them. Ranjeet Chakraborty wrote: I think not every one is written by some crazy moron who has loads of time to kill. Um, that is exactly the kind of person that writes complex viruses and exploits. But hey, don't let a former NAV programmer stop you from making wide sweeping claims about the whole industry. --Mike-- "alyson hannigan is so cute it's crazy" -- Googlism Just released - 1ClickPicGrabber - Grab & organize pictures from your favorite web pages, with 1 click! My really out-of-date homepage Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
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Ranjeet Chakraborty wrote: I think its these companies themselves that write them in the first place. That statement is laughable. It would be both unethical and illegal for an AV company to write viruses. If a company ever did that, their reputation would be destroyed beyond repair. At Symantec, anyone caught doing that would be bounced out on their ass before they knew what hit them. Ranjeet Chakraborty wrote: I think not every one is written by some crazy moron who has loads of time to kill. Um, that is exactly the kind of person that writes complex viruses and exploits. But hey, don't let a former NAV programmer stop you from making wide sweeping claims about the whole industry. --Mike-- "alyson hannigan is so cute it's crazy" -- Googlism Just released - 1ClickPicGrabber - Grab & organize pictures from your favorite web pages, with 1 click! My really out-of-date homepage Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
Michael Dunn wrote: It would be both unethical and illegal for an AV company to write viruses. yeah right, thats exactly what my friend at Sophos tells me, but then hey, I was just speculating. Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
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Paul Watson wrote: go watch Conspiracy Theory That wasn't a bad movie. ;P Paul Watson wrote: stop smoking whatever you are smoking :laugh: Carved upon my stone, My body lies but still I roam...
Ranjeet Chakraborty wrote: That wasn't a bad movie. That was a GREAT movie. I now know to watch for the black copter in "whisper mode"! About the AV software companies... well... it wouldn't supprize me to see some money being passed under the table. If you have a problem with my spelling, just remember that's not my fault. I [as well as everyone else who learned to spell after 1976] blame it on Robert A. Kolpek for U.S. Patent 4,136,395.
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Ranjeet Chakraborty wrote: Police dont charge for their services, its their job, some of these antivirus products cost a fortune. I am not saying its useless to buy an AV product, just speculating the possibility of their hands being dirty. Yes, they charge. No one is working for free. And there's a BIG bunch of money involved. Following your theories, I think that police may be involved in most crimes. And private security services do, too. And they charge for their services. And who buys antivirus stuff anyway? Really, I program since I was 11, I used several computers and NONE until today have got infected with a single virus. There are three kind of people who gets viruses: 1. People who use pirated software 2. People who run software from a undetermined source. 3. People who think older software is better than newer software. Like "Hey, Micro~1 sucks. So I use an old Windows NT 4.0, without any service packs nor hotfixes, because it's more secure and service packs are buggy." No antivirus will ever substitute good security habits. And, you want to ruin a company? Just break your customer's trust. People who says that kind of thing normally does not have a clue of how a virus works and how it is disseminated. You don't need to create a virus for this people, just send FORMAT.COM by e-mail to them and they'll destroy their own machine. My latest article: SQL Server DO's and DONT's[^]
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: Yep, I'm still wondering about that one too. Funny how the press never made a fuss about it[^]. Ok very cute and all, a good arguer could debate whether you are really alive or not so just showing photos of there being no Boeing is hardly convincing. What I want to see is what he thinks really happened and the proof for it.
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