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I've been a programmer without school training for 3 years now and I cannot even imagine where to start. Is there anybody out there that can help me get started, other than going to some stupid school for training(I'm already at school and they hardly teach crap about programming in a vast way but in a watered-down version). I've created a command-prompt based game where it asks you trivia questions at random of which I wrote to print messages to the screen if they were right or wrong and then continue to the next question. It took me about an hour to come up with some questions and then compiled it, ran it, and tested it. It runs fine. If anybody wants to see the code, I can email it to your email address if you want. If you have any questions or would like codes from me, email me at computerman.hosey@yahoo.com or jerseydude23@hotmail.com don't worry I'm not a fisher that will steal any pertinent information from you. All I want is some recognition from programming, that's all I ask.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
I'm already at school and they hardly teach crap about programming in a vast way but in a watered-down version
Is it possible they are starting with basic concepts in order to lay a solid foundation for the future? Seriously, everybody starts small.
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I've been a programmer without school training for 3 years now and I cannot even imagine where to start. Is there anybody out there that can help me get started, other than going to some stupid school for training(I'm already at school and they hardly teach crap about programming in a vast way but in a watered-down version). I've created a command-prompt based game where it asks you trivia questions at random of which I wrote to print messages to the screen if they were right or wrong and then continue to the next question. It took me about an hour to come up with some questions and then compiled it, ran it, and tested it. It runs fine. If anybody wants to see the code, I can email it to your email address if you want. If you have any questions or would like codes from me, email me at computerman.hosey@yahoo.com or jerseydude23@hotmail.com don't worry I'm not a fisher that will steal any pertinent information from you. All I want is some recognition from programming, that's all I ask.
Your post is very confusing. Perhaps you should post some background information and explain yourself better so we know what you are getting at.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
I've been a programmer without school training for 3 years now
Professionally or do you just call yourself a programmer because you can program?
Timothy Hosey wrote:
I cannot even imagine where to start
Start what? You just said you've been programming for 3 years, so it sounds like you've already started.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
Is there anybody out there that can help me get started
Again, with what?
Timothy Hosey wrote:
other than going to some stupid school for training(I'm already at school and they hardly teach crap about programming in a vast way but in a watered-down version)
So, you are already going to school... for programming? Or, you are at school and are guessing that being taught about programming would be as useless as the instruction of other things? Are you looking for *something* on top of school, or instead of school?
Timothy Hosey wrote:
I've created a command-prompt based game where it asks you trivia questions at random of which I wrote to print messages to the screen if they were right or wrong and then continue to the next question. It took me about an hour to come up with some questions and then compiled it, ran it, and tested it. It runs fine.
Good for you. I made something like that in high school as well. Something related to Tony Hawk if I remember correctly.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
If anybody wants to see the code, I can email it to your email address if you want.
Why would we want to see your code? Do you want help debugging it? That doesn't make much sense, as you said it runs fine.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
If you have any questions or would like codes from me, email me
Why wouldn't we just reply to you here, like what I'm doing right now? Why provide your email address? Why provide TWO email addresses? Do you realize that spam bots look for text on websites that look like email addresses so that they can add them to their lists of people to spam?
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If you want recognition, then write an decent article and post it. If you don't want to go to some 'stupid' school, then you will have to self teach. Get some books, do some reading, and get coding...... I'm currently doing BSC Hons with the Open University (Course B29), and the course is anything but stupid.
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I actually did read a lot of books from C programming and C++ programming by interesting authors who paid professional writers to publish their works over the years. I obtained this information from Barnes and Nobles and pretty much taught myself from Michael Dawson, Johnathon Harbour, and Jesse Liberty. They're really good at what they do. I went to this one class that only taught a few things about classes, objects, and many other programmer jargon. Maybe I did choose the wrong school or none of these schools really build up what I want them to that makes the entire experience ridiculous to stay in. You had some good points.
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Your post is very confusing. Perhaps you should post some background information and explain yourself better so we know what you are getting at.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
I've been a programmer without school training for 3 years now
Professionally or do you just call yourself a programmer because you can program?
Timothy Hosey wrote:
I cannot even imagine where to start
Start what? You just said you've been programming for 3 years, so it sounds like you've already started.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
Is there anybody out there that can help me get started
Again, with what?
Timothy Hosey wrote:
other than going to some stupid school for training(I'm already at school and they hardly teach crap about programming in a vast way but in a watered-down version)
So, you are already going to school... for programming? Or, you are at school and are guessing that being taught about programming would be as useless as the instruction of other things? Are you looking for *something* on top of school, or instead of school?
Timothy Hosey wrote:
I've created a command-prompt based game where it asks you trivia questions at random of which I wrote to print messages to the screen if they were right or wrong and then continue to the next question. It took me about an hour to come up with some questions and then compiled it, ran it, and tested it. It runs fine.
Good for you. I made something like that in high school as well. Something related to Tony Hawk if I remember correctly.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
If anybody wants to see the code, I can email it to your email address if you want.
Why would we want to see your code? Do you want help debugging it? That doesn't make much sense, as you said it runs fine.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
If you have any questions or would like codes from me, email me
Why wouldn't we just reply to you here, like what I'm doing right now? Why provide your email address? Why provide TWO email addresses? Do you realize that spam bots look for text on websites that look like email addresses so that they can add them to their lists of people to spam?
aspdotnetdev wrote:
Professionally or do you just call yourself a programmer because you can program?
Well for me I was writing trivia programs at 8 years old (a year or so before I had classes) so that makes 20 years of programming for me. Professionally my career as a programmer started in March of 1997.
John
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I don't understand what is the question. You want tutoring ? or a job ? or is programming only a hobby ?
Watched code never compiles.
What I really mean is how do you get a job in the programming business even if you coded for so long from self-teaching when these employers are looking for 5 years of experience that cannot be obtained without shadowing a mentor or somebody to get there. I really think that getting a Bachelor's degree in programming is quite useless in some cases when most employers hope for you to have additional experience anyway. So what is the use, really? I'm self-taught from Barnes and Nobles and I say that I've learned a lot from Johnathan Harbour, Michael Dawson, and Jesse Liberty. I would recommend these authors in programming if you want to pursue anything relating to programming without going to college.
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aspdotnetdev wrote:
Professionally or do you just call yourself a programmer because you can program?
Well for me I was writing trivia programs at 8 years old (a year or so before I had classes) so that makes 20 years of programming for me. Professionally my career as a programmer started in March of 1997.
John
Thanks for reminding me I'm old :sigh: . I was working as a Unix dev when you started programming. I first started coding in '79.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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What I really mean is how do you get a job in the programming business even if you coded for so long from self-teaching when these employers are looking for 5 years of experience that cannot be obtained without shadowing a mentor or somebody to get there. I really think that getting a Bachelor's degree in programming is quite useless in some cases when most employers hope for you to have additional experience anyway. So what is the use, really? I'm self-taught from Barnes and Nobles and I say that I've learned a lot from Johnathan Harbour, Michael Dawson, and Jesse Liberty. I would recommend these authors in programming if you want to pursue anything relating to programming without going to college.
The point of a college degree anymore is to show that you have the will to stay with something for a long time. It shows that you can accomplish tasks and are well rounded. If the classes are easy for you and boring that leaves more time for :beer: and :jig: While at college you can get an internship which would give you the experience you're looking for. Sure it costs money but it's also a lot more fun than a 9 to 5 job if you can afford it :-D
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Yes, I am. Did you see my videos on You Tube with the Trivia Mania series I've created. It is quite simple, don't you think? I could add more to it, but it would be a fricking headache. What did you think about the little games I've created on my spare time? Maybe somebody may want it? Would it actually be worth anything in the gaming market, other than XBOX 360 games I mean?
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Thanks for reminding me I'm old :sigh: . I was working as a Unix dev when you started programming. I first started coding in '79.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
So you're saying you have programs as old as me then? ;P
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Your post is very confusing. Perhaps you should post some background information and explain yourself better so we know what you are getting at.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
I've been a programmer without school training for 3 years now
Professionally or do you just call yourself a programmer because you can program?
Timothy Hosey wrote:
I cannot even imagine where to start
Start what? You just said you've been programming for 3 years, so it sounds like you've already started.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
Is there anybody out there that can help me get started
Again, with what?
Timothy Hosey wrote:
other than going to some stupid school for training(I'm already at school and they hardly teach crap about programming in a vast way but in a watered-down version)
So, you are already going to school... for programming? Or, you are at school and are guessing that being taught about programming would be as useless as the instruction of other things? Are you looking for *something* on top of school, or instead of school?
Timothy Hosey wrote:
I've created a command-prompt based game where it asks you trivia questions at random of which I wrote to print messages to the screen if they were right or wrong and then continue to the next question. It took me about an hour to come up with some questions and then compiled it, ran it, and tested it. It runs fine.
Good for you. I made something like that in high school as well. Something related to Tony Hawk if I remember correctly.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
If anybody wants to see the code, I can email it to your email address if you want.
Why would we want to see your code? Do you want help debugging it? That doesn't make much sense, as you said it runs fine.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
If you have any questions or would like codes from me, email me
Why wouldn't we just reply to you here, like what I'm doing right now? Why provide your email address? Why provide TWO email addresses? Do you realize that spam bots look for text on websites that look like email addresses so that they can add them to their lists of people to spam?
Let's straighten this confusion up right now. I'm a self-taught programmer from books from Barnes and Nobles, took only one class at Tidewater Community College in C++ programming and C programming in UNIX/LINUX into one class. I'm currently in Axia College and all they teach is a bunch of classes that consume your time and money in believing somebody is getting a career when most of the credits apply to academics instead of the intended major(programming, is what I am getting at here. What I've seen in these classes are some good and some bad things. Some good things that the programming class in C++ taught some very good items about classes and other basic things, but that' all. I just don't call myself a programmer unless I can prove that I can program. I guess that I am an intermediate programmer that is self-taught and have been writing codes for some time now since my arrival in Virginia from 2066. I started to program during 2008 until now. I intend to produce a game or something that is useful for the media, and thus getting some advice from other people out there are in the same field as me. I know, I expect more if I am paying some cash for this class. From the UNIX class I learned a few things, other than the operating system UNIX/LINUX, such as a hello world program(it is useless unless it's made for beginner's)and taught some things about opening and closing a file with fopen and fclose functions, which was neat and all but those were the simplest of things that some employers would laugh at. The reason why I want somebody to email me is to get people across the globe to acknowledge what I'm going instead of in a small geographic area, which is useless and wouldn't get me far. I basically don't want anybody to debug this program, but to provide a portfolio the media instead of blabbing about what I can and cannot do to random people but people with some experience, that can give me pointers how to make it better or what would the public want in these codes for a game or an application.
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Let's straighten this confusion up right now. I'm a self-taught programmer from books from Barnes and Nobles, took only one class at Tidewater Community College in C++ programming and C programming in UNIX/LINUX into one class. I'm currently in Axia College and all they teach is a bunch of classes that consume your time and money in believing somebody is getting a career when most of the credits apply to academics instead of the intended major(programming, is what I am getting at here. What I've seen in these classes are some good and some bad things. Some good things that the programming class in C++ taught some very good items about classes and other basic things, but that' all. I just don't call myself a programmer unless I can prove that I can program. I guess that I am an intermediate programmer that is self-taught and have been writing codes for some time now since my arrival in Virginia from 2066. I started to program during 2008 until now. I intend to produce a game or something that is useful for the media, and thus getting some advice from other people out there are in the same field as me. I know, I expect more if I am paying some cash for this class. From the UNIX class I learned a few things, other than the operating system UNIX/LINUX, such as a hello world program(it is useless unless it's made for beginner's)and taught some things about opening and closing a file with fopen and fclose functions, which was neat and all but those were the simplest of things that some employers would laugh at. The reason why I want somebody to email me is to get people across the globe to acknowledge what I'm going instead of in a small geographic area, which is useless and wouldn't get me far. I basically don't want anybody to debug this program, but to provide a portfolio the media instead of blabbing about what I can and cannot do to random people but people with some experience, that can give me pointers how to make it better or what would the public want in these codes for a game or an application.
What happened to all the formatting, structured sentences, paragraphs etc. That is just a block of text that is painful on the eyes, such that I doubt many will even read it.
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I've been a programmer without school training for 3 years now and I cannot even imagine where to start. Is there anybody out there that can help me get started, other than going to some stupid school for training(I'm already at school and they hardly teach crap about programming in a vast way but in a watered-down version). I've created a command-prompt based game where it asks you trivia questions at random of which I wrote to print messages to the screen if they were right or wrong and then continue to the next question. It took me about an hour to come up with some questions and then compiled it, ran it, and tested it. It runs fine. If anybody wants to see the code, I can email it to your email address if you want. If you have any questions or would like codes from me, email me at computerman.hosey@yahoo.com or jerseydude23@hotmail.com don't worry I'm not a fisher that will steal any pertinent information from you. All I want is some recognition from programming, that's all I ask.
Most of the older guys here are self-taught. I learned by finding something I wanted to do with software, and writing the code to do that thing. I also went o trade school, but that was exclusively mainframe coding (COBOL, RPG-2, PL/1, IBM 360 Assembly Language, etc. The fanciest personal computers around only had 4K of RAM and you had to store your programs on a cassette tape. The IBM PC was still 3 years from becoming reality. My first real PC program was for the Turbo Pascal 2.0 editor/compiler (written with Turbo Pascal), and allowed you to change the colors of various parts of the editor. I wrote it because someone said it couldn't be done. You have to develop a similar attitude and work ethic. Oh yeah, here's some bad news - if you don't already have 20+ years in the business, you're probably going to need a degree to get your foot in the door for more interesting (and more lucrative) work.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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What happened to all the formatting, structured sentences, paragraphs etc. That is just a block of text that is painful on the eyes, such that I doubt many will even read it.
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Probably never went to school. You know, one of THOSE types. :rolleyes:
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I've been a programmer without school training for 3 years now and I cannot even imagine where to start. Is there anybody out there that can help me get started, other than going to some stupid school for training(I'm already at school and they hardly teach crap about programming in a vast way but in a watered-down version). I've created a command-prompt based game where it asks you trivia questions at random of which I wrote to print messages to the screen if they were right or wrong and then continue to the next question. It took me about an hour to come up with some questions and then compiled it, ran it, and tested it. It runs fine. If anybody wants to see the code, I can email it to your email address if you want. If you have any questions or would like codes from me, email me at computerman.hosey@yahoo.com or jerseydude23@hotmail.com don't worry I'm not a fisher that will steal any pertinent information from you. All I want is some recognition from programming, that's all I ask.
Timothy Hosey wrote:
All I want is some recognition from programming, that's all I ask.
Then start writing articles for CP. That's what I did, for pretty much the same reasons at first, and I don't have any formal school training and would never want any. Marc
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Most of the older guys here are self-taught. I learned by finding something I wanted to do with software, and writing the code to do that thing. I also went o trade school, but that was exclusively mainframe coding (COBOL, RPG-2, PL/1, IBM 360 Assembly Language, etc. The fanciest personal computers around only had 4K of RAM and you had to store your programs on a cassette tape. The IBM PC was still 3 years from becoming reality. My first real PC program was for the Turbo Pascal 2.0 editor/compiler (written with Turbo Pascal), and allowed you to change the colors of various parts of the editor. I wrote it because someone said it couldn't be done. You have to develop a similar attitude and work ethic. Oh yeah, here's some bad news - if you don't already have 20+ years in the business, you're probably going to need a degree to get your foot in the door for more interesting (and more lucrative) work.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
I've been a programmer without school training for 3 years now and I cannot even imagine where to start. Is there anybody out there that can help me get started, other than going to some stupid school for training(I'm already at school and they hardly teach crap about programming in a vast way but in a watered-down version). I've created a command-prompt based game where it asks you trivia questions at random of which I wrote to print messages to the screen if they were right or wrong and then continue to the next question. It took me about an hour to come up with some questions and then compiled it, ran it, and tested it. It runs fine. If anybody wants to see the code, I can email it to your email address if you want. If you have any questions or would like codes from me, email me at computerman.hosey@yahoo.com or jerseydude23@hotmail.com don't worry I'm not a fisher that will steal any pertinent information from you. All I want is some recognition from programming, that's all I ask.
Perhaps this is going to go slightly off the topic, but as some of the other posters have already pointed out, you should probably go to school. That is, "school" and not higher education institutions like colleges and universities. Maybe then you will learn to write coherent pieces of text. Having said that, I understand "school" means something slightly different on either ends of the Atlantic, so moving on to your complaint about how you find your classes useless... I suggest you enroll in something other than programming. Programming languages and methods evolve every day. What you are taught today is probably old art tomorrow. Sure, some people will find programming classes useful, and good luck to them. I'm a self-taught programmer myself, but I trained as an all-rounder engineer at university, then specialized in data processing by data driven statistical methods as a post-grad. Now I work in a comprehensive engineering environment where, of course, I work on the software side of a complex scientific instrumentation development. Programming skills are taken as given here. What's more important is the ability to adapt and learn about the various types of instruments we develop and how they are used in the field. We also need to bear in mind where the work carried out by our customers are heading, so I need to understand a bit of genetics, a bit of chemistry, a bit of medicine... As far as I'm concerned, programming is a method for achieving some goal and not the goal itself. I suppose there are people that think otherwise, and I don't mean to say that's wrong. But you seem to be a young person with a long career ahead of yourself. I think it would be more beneficial for you to try to think about the bigger picture, especially as you are only just setting out... Cheers, Your Nan ;P
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...
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Let's straighten this confusion up right now. I'm a self-taught programmer from books from Barnes and Nobles, took only one class at Tidewater Community College in C++ programming and C programming in UNIX/LINUX into one class. I'm currently in Axia College and all they teach is a bunch of classes that consume your time and money in believing somebody is getting a career when most of the credits apply to academics instead of the intended major(programming, is what I am getting at here. What I've seen in these classes are some good and some bad things. Some good things that the programming class in C++ taught some very good items about classes and other basic things, but that' all. I just don't call myself a programmer unless I can prove that I can program. I guess that I am an intermediate programmer that is self-taught and have been writing codes for some time now since my arrival in Virginia from 2066. I started to program during 2008 until now. I intend to produce a game or something that is useful for the media, and thus getting some advice from other people out there are in the same field as me. I know, I expect more if I am paying some cash for this class. From the UNIX class I learned a few things, other than the operating system UNIX/LINUX, such as a hello world program(it is useless unless it's made for beginner's)and taught some things about opening and closing a file with fopen and fclose functions, which was neat and all but those were the simplest of things that some employers would laugh at. The reason why I want somebody to email me is to get people across the globe to acknowledge what I'm going instead of in a small geographic area, which is useless and wouldn't get me far. I basically don't want anybody to debug this program, but to provide a portfolio the media instead of blabbing about what I can and cannot do to random people but people with some experience, that can give me pointers how to make it better or what would the public want in these codes for a game or an application.
School is never going to teach you how to write an actual business application. School teaches you how to learn about programming, or to drink copious amounts and not pay attention. I personally didn't see the benefits of school, found myself a low paying junior developer role and just kept on working at it. It's taken me 11 years and some pretty good breaks to get to where I am. If I had the option, I would have sucked it up and got the education, just because of the opportunities that may have been presented. You're in school, see out the education, get the certificates that say you know what you're talking about and spend the rest of your time reading, learning and writing sample code. Don't expect to write the next MS Windows tomorrow or become a billionaire overnight. It isn't going to happen.
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The point of a college degree anymore is to show that you have the will to stay with something for a long time. It shows that you can accomplish tasks and are well rounded. If the classes are easy for you and boring that leaves more time for :beer: and :jig: While at college you can get an internship which would give you the experience you're looking for. Sure it costs money but it's also a lot more fun than a 9 to 5 job if you can afford it :-D
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agreed .. from where did you download the 'dancing man' smiley. Somehow, I see only limited list in the CP Reply tool-bar.
Sucess is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.
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So you're saying you have programs as old as me then? ;P
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Yes bro. In short, he wanted to say he has been coding since half of the CP Members were in nappies. :laugh:
Sucess is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.
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Weird post. That you'd give your email addresses in a public forum makes me think you're young and generally inexperienced in life. I am not worried that you're a spammer, but I'm sure you will get spam. I taught myself to code, and talked my way in to a job, within 6 months. Is it work that you're asking about ? The path for me was self taught, get a job, then when I worked with people who were university trained, I'd pay attention to what they'd discuss, and when they'd mention something I did not understand, I'd buy a book and work through it, so that I did understand it. School is not a bad thing, but if you know some stuff already and you're in a class for beginners, that school is obviously catering to the other students and ignoring what you already know. I taught myself b/c I was mature age and it suited me to keep working and paying my mortgage while I learned.
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Christian, what you mentioned is really inspirational. However, the same way may not work for many. Especially, in my homeland, where we have huge number of Software Engineers virtually unemployed, no one would pay attention to a self learned or non-degree holder. I am in this industry for a small time (4.5 years), however, I have seen some extremely talented designers and contractors struggled for years. Many of them are highly paid at this point, however, it took them years to get that recognition, whereas, if you are graduated from a reputed university the entry point becomes lot simpler to you. I have written this based on my experience in India and this case may not be same in western countries.
Sucess is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.