Another Gem
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Aamir Butt wrote:
Why a certain set of rules apply for certain people here and it doesn't for others?
In this case, I believe that pretty much everybody that has brought a posting like this to the lounge has been jumped up and down on for it. It's arrogant, and demeaning because you are mocking this person behind his(her?) back. Would you say this to their face? If not, then don't do it - and yes, I've been guilty of this in the past, but at least I am mature enough to recognise that it was wrong and try to correct my behaviour.
Aamir Butt wrote:
So, can you describe in detail what are the posting guidelines for The Lounge. As far as I know about Lounge posting guidelines, I can't post programming questions here (well, this wasn't one) and my posts have to be KSS and therefore, I followed the 'Lounge posting guidelines' perfectly.
This is more about the acceptable norms of behaviour. You don't need a friend to give you a list of rules when you go to their house, so why should you here. You wouldn't sh!t on their carpet and then say "Well, your rules didn't say I couldn't."
Aamir Butt wrote:
this was a typical 'Plz Snd m da Codezzz' question
No it wasn't. The OP had tried something out, and was having a problem understanding the solution - I assume that you are such a genius that you understand everything instantly, and have never needed anybody to explain things to you. There's an old adage "When the learner hasn't learnt, the teacher hasn't taught" which means that the problem is generally with the explanation not being in a manner/form that the student can understand.
Aamir Butt wrote:
I have seen many people mocking better things than that
As far as an excuse goes, that's a bad one. I'm not equating the two situations, but to illustrate a point some people find racism acceptable - does it excuse it that they say that other people do it?
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Would you say this to their face?
Off course I would. Simply because very clearly the OP hasn't tried enough. Look at the revisions of the question for a detailed view. Furthermore, the code that she (looks to be a female from her name) has posted is simply an example code which she has just copy-pasted without doing any further effort.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
This is more about the acceptable norms of behaviour
Point taken but as I said earlier same rules should apply to everybody. I would really like to see people respond with such enthusiasm when a serial poster mocks somebody on such a thing.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
No it wasn't. The OP had tried something out, and was having a problem understanding the solution - I assume that you are such a genius that you understand everything instantly, and have never needed anybody to explain things to you.
I am no genius but at least I try few things myself before asking for help and even then I know how to ask for help rather than saying 'Plz, it is urgent'. And as I said earlier, OP obviously didn't try anything out.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
As far as an excuse goes, that's a bad one.
That was not an excuse. I just wanted to say that same rules should apply for everyone. I am a very occasional poster but I roam here a lot and I have seen an old-timer(Nish) vehemently trying to take people away from here (to Indian forums) just because some of the old-timers really like to make fun of others because of such things. Why not stand up to that then? Something is really not right here, don't you think so?
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
And why have you brought this to the Lounge?
So, can you describe in detail what are the posting guidelines for The Lounge. As far as I know about Lounge posting guidelines, I can't post programming questions here (well, this wasn't one) and my posts have to be KSS and therefore, I followed the 'Lounge posting guidelines' perfectly. I just brought it here because this was a typical 'Plz Snd m da Codezzz' question and I have seen many people bring many such things to 'The Lounge' earlier as well. And I have seen many people mocking better things than that. Why a certain set of rules apply for certain people here and it doesn't for others?
Aamir Butt wrote:
So, can you describe in detail what are the posting guidelines for The Lounge. As far as I know about Lounge posting guidelines, I can't post programming questions here (well, this wasn't one) and my posts have to be KSS and therefore, I followed the 'Lounge posting guidelines' perfectly.
Just because you are capable doesn't therefore mean you should.
Aamir Butt wrote:
I just brought it here because this was a typical 'Plz Snd m da Codezzz' question and I have seen many people bring many such things to 'The Lounge' earlier as well.
But for what purpose?
Aamir Butt wrote:
And I have seen many people mocking better things than that.
So you admit that you were mocking?
Aamir Butt wrote:
Why a certain set of rules apply for certain people here and it doesn't for others?
It has nothing to do with you personally.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Man who follows car will be exhausted." - Confucius
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Would you say this to their face?
Off course I would. Simply because very clearly the OP hasn't tried enough. Look at the revisions of the question for a detailed view. Furthermore, the code that she (looks to be a female from her name) has posted is simply an example code which she has just copy-pasted without doing any further effort.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
This is more about the acceptable norms of behaviour
Point taken but as I said earlier same rules should apply to everybody. I would really like to see people respond with such enthusiasm when a serial poster mocks somebody on such a thing.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
No it wasn't. The OP had tried something out, and was having a problem understanding the solution - I assume that you are such a genius that you understand everything instantly, and have never needed anybody to explain things to you.
I am no genius but at least I try few things myself before asking for help and even then I know how to ask for help rather than saying 'Plz, it is urgent'. And as I said earlier, OP obviously didn't try anything out.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
As far as an excuse goes, that's a bad one.
That was not an excuse. I just wanted to say that same rules should apply for everyone. I am a very occasional poster but I roam here a lot and I have seen an old-timer(Nish) vehemently trying to take people away from here (to Indian forums) just because some of the old-timers really like to make fun of others because of such things. Why not stand up to that then? Something is really not right here, don't you think so?
Aamir Butt wrote:
I am a very occasional poster but I roam here a lot and I have seen an old-timer(Nish) vehemently trying to take people away from here (to Indian forums) just because some of the old-timers really like to make fun of others because of such things. Why not stand up to that then? Something is really not right here, don't you think so
Fair point, and the advent of the Indian Lounge is one of the aspects of CP that I don't like. Let me explain before you get too upset - I have been known to mock others, and it's a character trait that I don't like so I have tried to moderate it (not always successfully). Sometimes this has been seen as an attack on a person based on their race, and this is purely down to language differences with me saying something that I meant to be taken in one way, and somebody taking it in another - this is nothing to do with them; if I'd been clearer or less mocking then it wouldn't have been an issue. The point is - this was bad behaviour on my part and not one I'll excuse in myself. So, why don't I like the Indian Lounge then (I'm going to call it the IL from now on)? If the IL was only a place where Indian speaking people went to chat about things that were of interest to them then I'd be all for it. The fact that it is seen to be a necessary training ground to teach people how to survive here in the Lounge or the forums is not a good thing - it does not reflect well on CP or the CP community. If somebody is a troll, then fair enough - ignore them/mock them if you want to feed their fire, but if somebody has come here to seek help then help them. Sometimes the help won't be what they want - but it might just be what they need which is just as important (e.g. directing them to the appropriate forum). The danger that I see is that CP will become fragmented - I've spent a lot of time here and I plan on spending a lot more time here, but if it becomes an "us against them" site, I will walk away.
Aamir Butt wrote:
I would really like to see people respond with such enthusiasm when a serial poster mocks somebody on such a thing.
I may be wrong (I don't think so, but I could well be), but I do believe that there has been less tolerance for the mocking lately irregardless of who the poster was.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes
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posted an answer in the form of a win32 API wrapper class, I don't think mocking about people is right here in the Lounge.
Mocking is an integral part of test driven development. I think it's completely appropriate on a dev site.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Tom Deketelaere wrote:
Agreed but how many of the lounge regulars haven't done this as well and they didn't get there noises shot off by the rest.
It's just as inappropriate if a regular does this too.
Regards, Nish
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But it is a lot funnier most of the time.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
But it is a lot funnier most of the time.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
But it is a lot funnier most of the time.
Yeah, that's true :-)
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Code Project Forums : New Posts Monitor This application monitors for new posts in the Code Project forums.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Would you say this to their face?
Off course I would. Simply because very clearly the OP hasn't tried enough. Look at the revisions of the question for a detailed view. Furthermore, the code that she (looks to be a female from her name) has posted is simply an example code which she has just copy-pasted without doing any further effort.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
This is more about the acceptable norms of behaviour
Point taken but as I said earlier same rules should apply to everybody. I would really like to see people respond with such enthusiasm when a serial poster mocks somebody on such a thing.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
No it wasn't. The OP had tried something out, and was having a problem understanding the solution - I assume that you are such a genius that you understand everything instantly, and have never needed anybody to explain things to you.
I am no genius but at least I try few things myself before asking for help and even then I know how to ask for help rather than saying 'Plz, it is urgent'. And as I said earlier, OP obviously didn't try anything out.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
As far as an excuse goes, that's a bad one.
That was not an excuse. I just wanted to say that same rules should apply for everyone. I am a very occasional poster but I roam here a lot and I have seen an old-timer(Nish) vehemently trying to take people away from here (to Indian forums) just because some of the old-timers really like to make fun of others because of such things. Why not stand up to that then? Something is really not right here, don't you think so?
Aamir Butt wrote:
I have seen an old-timer(Nish) vehemently trying to take people away from here (to Indian forums) just because some of the old-timers really like to make fun of others because of such things.
Okay, that is a very inaccurate statement there. There are various reasons why Chris decided to start country/language specific forums here and I will not go into those reasons. He asked me to moderate and help fine tune the new India-specific forum, and I have been doing that quite enthusiastically the past several weeks. I do NOT take people away from this forum. The core idea of the India specific forum is to help orient newbie Indian members with general forum etiquette and posting guidelines. Incidentally I haven't asked any one to stop posting here and to move over there. Rather, the idea is that once they spend some time there, they will be better conditioned to post in the general forums without fear of backlash.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Code Project Forums : New Posts Monitor This application monitors for new posts in the Code Project forums.
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Aamir Butt wrote:
I am a very occasional poster but I roam here a lot and I have seen an old-timer(Nish) vehemently trying to take people away from here (to Indian forums) just because some of the old-timers really like to make fun of others because of such things. Why not stand up to that then? Something is really not right here, don't you think so
Fair point, and the advent of the Indian Lounge is one of the aspects of CP that I don't like. Let me explain before you get too upset - I have been known to mock others, and it's a character trait that I don't like so I have tried to moderate it (not always successfully). Sometimes this has been seen as an attack on a person based on their race, and this is purely down to language differences with me saying something that I meant to be taken in one way, and somebody taking it in another - this is nothing to do with them; if I'd been clearer or less mocking then it wouldn't have been an issue. The point is - this was bad behaviour on my part and not one I'll excuse in myself. So, why don't I like the Indian Lounge then (I'm going to call it the IL from now on)? If the IL was only a place where Indian speaking people went to chat about things that were of interest to them then I'd be all for it. The fact that it is seen to be a necessary training ground to teach people how to survive here in the Lounge or the forums is not a good thing - it does not reflect well on CP or the CP community. If somebody is a troll, then fair enough - ignore them/mock them if you want to feed their fire, but if somebody has come here to seek help then help them. Sometimes the help won't be what they want - but it might just be what they need which is just as important (e.g. directing them to the appropriate forum). The danger that I see is that CP will become fragmented - I've spent a lot of time here and I plan on spending a lot more time here, but if it becomes an "us against them" site, I will walk away.
Aamir Butt wrote:
I would really like to see people respond with such enthusiasm when a serial poster mocks somebody on such a thing.
I may be wrong (I don't think so, but I could well be), but I do believe that there has been less tolerance for the mocking lately irregardless of who the poster was.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes
Hey Pete, Do read my response to Aamir below. I don't personally believe that sub-forums like the Indian forum will lead to fragmentation. I honestly feel that the forum has helped quite a few relatively newer Indian members improve their forum etiquette. Or maybe improve is not the right word, I'd say it's more correct to say that they've been helped with adjusting their behavior to a manner more appropriate for a global audience such as that on CP.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Code Project Forums : New Posts Monitor This application monitors for new posts in the Code Project forums.
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One day not in the far future, we'll have chimps doing the our jobs.
Two heads are better than one.
Norm .net wrote:
One day not in the far future, we'll have chimps doing the our jobs.
Hopefully, they'll have better typo/grammar filters in place. :rolleyes: [Sorry Norm, couldn't resist!]
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Code Project Forums : New Posts Monitor This application monitors for new posts in the Code Project forums.
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Norm .net wrote:
One day not in the far future, we'll have chimps doing the our jobs.
Hopefully, they'll have better typo/grammar filters in place. :rolleyes: [Sorry Norm, couldn't resist!]
Regards, Nish
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BTW every one of your posts in this thread have been univoted, Mr Popular! :-)
Regards, Nish
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Mocking is an integral part of test driven development. I think it's completely appropriate on a dev site.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
BTW every one of your posts in this thread have been univoted, Mr Popular! :-)
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Code Project Forums : New Posts Monitor This application monitors for new posts in the Code Project forums.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Mocking is an integral part of test driven development
derision.FTFY
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
5! :laugh:
Regards, Nish
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I prefer mocking the idiot questions from other sites. But try to keep it anonymous :)
xacc.ide
IronScheme - 1.0 RC 1 - out now!
((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth Editionleppie wrote:
I prefer mocking the idiot questions from other sites. But try to keep it anonymous
Except when the other site is SO? ;P
Regards, Nish
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Aamir Butt wrote:
I have seen an old-timer(Nish) vehemently trying to take people away from here (to Indian forums) just because some of the old-timers really like to make fun of others because of such things.
Okay, that is a very inaccurate statement there. There are various reasons why Chris decided to start country/language specific forums here and I will not go into those reasons. He asked me to moderate and help fine tune the new India-specific forum, and I have been doing that quite enthusiastically the past several weeks. I do NOT take people away from this forum. The core idea of the India specific forum is to help orient newbie Indian members with general forum etiquette and posting guidelines. Incidentally I haven't asked any one to stop posting here and to move over there. Rather, the idea is that once they spend some time there, they will be better conditioned to post in the general forums without fear of backlash.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Code Project Forums : New Posts Monitor This application monitors for new posts in the Code Project forums.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
without fear of backlash
This is exactly what I am talking about. Why is there such a backlash in the first place. Only because of cultural differences? Can't we be tolerant enough to let people talk according to their own respective cultures?
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Okay, that is a very inaccurate statement there.
Sorry if I understood that incorrectly. But my point still stands as I said above.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
without fear of backlash
This is exactly what I am talking about. Why is there such a backlash in the first place. Only because of cultural differences? Can't we be tolerant enough to let people talk according to their own respective cultures?
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Okay, that is a very inaccurate statement there.
Sorry if I understood that incorrectly. But my point still stands as I said above.
Aamir Butt wrote:
This is exactly what I am talking about. Why is there such a backlash in the first place. Only because of cultural differences? Can't we be tolerant enough to let people talk according to their own respective cultures?
Well in an ideal world everyone would be tolerant, and the world would be full of Pete O' Hanlons, Elaines (Trollslayer), and Ravi Bhavnanis. But CP is basically a virtual reflection of the real world and there will always be intolerance. Practically speaking, it's nearly impossible to correct that, so the most workable solution is to attack the problem from the other end. Change people's behavior so that they do not stand out (culturally speaking) and thus do not get sidelined or attacked based on that.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Code Project Forums : New Posts Monitor This application monitors for new posts in the Code Project forums.
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Aamir Butt wrote:
I am a very occasional poster but I roam here a lot and I have seen an old-timer(Nish) vehemently trying to take people away from here (to Indian forums) just because some of the old-timers really like to make fun of others because of such things. Why not stand up to that then? Something is really not right here, don't you think so
Fair point, and the advent of the Indian Lounge is one of the aspects of CP that I don't like. Let me explain before you get too upset - I have been known to mock others, and it's a character trait that I don't like so I have tried to moderate it (not always successfully). Sometimes this has been seen as an attack on a person based on their race, and this is purely down to language differences with me saying something that I meant to be taken in one way, and somebody taking it in another - this is nothing to do with them; if I'd been clearer or less mocking then it wouldn't have been an issue. The point is - this was bad behaviour on my part and not one I'll excuse in myself. So, why don't I like the Indian Lounge then (I'm going to call it the IL from now on)? If the IL was only a place where Indian speaking people went to chat about things that were of interest to them then I'd be all for it. The fact that it is seen to be a necessary training ground to teach people how to survive here in the Lounge or the forums is not a good thing - it does not reflect well on CP or the CP community. If somebody is a troll, then fair enough - ignore them/mock them if you want to feed their fire, but if somebody has come here to seek help then help them. Sometimes the help won't be what they want - but it might just be what they need which is just as important (e.g. directing them to the appropriate forum). The danger that I see is that CP will become fragmented - I've spent a lot of time here and I plan on spending a lot more time here, but if it becomes an "us against them" site, I will walk away.
Aamir Butt wrote:
I would really like to see people respond with such enthusiasm when a serial poster mocks somebody on such a thing.
I may be wrong (I don't think so, but I could well be), but I do believe that there has been less tolerance for the mocking lately irregardless of who the poster was.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
The danger that I see is that CP will become fragmented
I totally agree with you here. Everybody should be more tolerant and less mocking(including myself :-O ) towards people who come from different cultures and might not be able to phrase/explain everything as perfectly as the native English speakers can. There should be a single Lounge and everybody should be welcome there.
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Hey Pete, Do read my response to Aamir below. I don't personally believe that sub-forums like the Indian forum will lead to fragmentation. I honestly feel that the forum has helped quite a few relatively newer Indian members improve their forum etiquette. Or maybe improve is not the right word, I'd say it's more correct to say that they've been helped with adjusting their behavior to a manner more appropriate for a global audience such as that on CP.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Code Project Forums : New Posts Monitor This application monitors for new posts in the Code Project forums.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I don't personally believe that sub-forums like the Indian forum will lead to fragmentation.
That's my sincere hope. It's just the fact that some perceive that this is what the IL is for that concerns me - it should be an area where you can talk about things that make precious little sense to somebody in the UK, but which are really relevant to you (e.g. IPL).
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
