fire fighting fees
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This is what taxes are for. Why is there a fee for something that should be a no brainer?
harold aptroot wrote:
They could have known this would happen.
How's that? Are you saying this is okay?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
wolfbinary wrote:
Are you saying this is okay?
Is that even relevant? I wouldn't have made a stupid system like this, but now that it's there the people can choose between paying or risking their house. And they can also complain, but that never helps, you just get buried in bureaucracy. Their neighbours knew of this, so yes they could (and should) have known. I presume they were also told about this fire fighting fee, but I'm not certain. Regardless, if I was their insurance, I wouldn't pay up.
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wolfbinary wrote:
Are you saying this is okay?
Is that even relevant? I wouldn't have made a stupid system like this, but now that it's there the people can choose between paying or risking their house. And they can also complain, but that never helps, you just get buried in bureaucracy. Their neighbours knew of this, so yes they could (and should) have known. I presume they were also told about this fire fighting fee, but I'm not certain. Regardless, if I was their insurance, I wouldn't pay up.
harold aptroot wrote:
Is that even relevant?
Yes. It's what makes people change the policies and political leaders in the country, community, etc.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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harold aptroot wrote:
Is that even relevant?
Yes. It's what makes people change the policies and political leaders in the country, community, etc.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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I knew you would chime in with that... This isn't socialism or fascism. This is capitalism taken to extremes. He didn't pay for fire protection, so they let his house burn down. If it was socialism, they would have come anyway, and just charged it to the taxpayers. If it was fascism, they would have burnt his house down themselves for failure to pay.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
I guess democracy doesn't work in your country. X|
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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You pretty much explained it to him, but in his delusional mind he won't be able to see that this is capitalism
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
If he's that blind, I'll just go back to my Good Will Hunting strategy (See two threads back)... It shut him up before.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
I knew you would chime in with that... This isn't socialism or fascism. This is capitalism taken to extremes. He didn't pay for fire protection, so they let his house burn down. If it was socialism, they would have come anyway, and just charged it to the taxpayers. If it was fascism, they would have burnt his house down themselves for failure to pay.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)There was a thread a while back that brought up government services and I had mentioned fire departments being paid for with taxes. For people like CSS and anyone else who thinks that government services are free, or tax breaks pay for themselves believe in magic. I really don't mind the tax rates for everyone going up a couple percentage points. It will help pay for things we need in the country and pay off the debt that Bush and Wallstreet has given us.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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I guess democracy doesn't work in your country. X|
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Have you ever tried to seriously complain about something? What was the result? Probably some bullshit response about the budget or the land use planning, right? Meanwhile they(local govt)'re eating out of their noses and paying big money for some stupid rusty piece-of-shit (literally) art for a roundabout that has to cost several millions because the artist was very artsy and "rusty poo" apparently "means" something. Voting doesn't really "work", it never has. Your properly educated choice is lost in the masses of populist-voters.
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Have you ever tried to seriously complain about something? What was the result? Probably some bullshit response about the budget or the land use planning, right? Meanwhile they(local govt)'re eating out of their noses and paying big money for some stupid rusty piece-of-shit (literally) art for a roundabout that has to cost several millions because the artist was very artsy and "rusty poo" apparently "means" something. Voting doesn't really "work", it never has. Your properly educated choice is lost in the masses of populist-voters.
harold aptroot wrote:
Have you ever tried to seriously complain about something? What was the result? Probably some bullsh*t response about the budget or the land use planning, right?
Actually I got my questions answered and things have improved.
harold aptroot wrote:
Voting doesn't really "work", it never has. Your properly educated choice is lost in the masses of populist-voters.
So what are you suggesting then, armed revolt? If voting doesn't work what does?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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harold aptroot wrote:
Have you ever tried to seriously complain about something? What was the result? Probably some bullsh*t response about the budget or the land use planning, right?
Actually I got my questions answered and things have improved.
harold aptroot wrote:
Voting doesn't really "work", it never has. Your properly educated choice is lost in the masses of populist-voters.
So what are you suggesting then, armed revolt? If voting doesn't work what does?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
An armed revolt? In Europe? :) What might work is a massive ad campaign to educate dumb people about the fact that political parties are not just for fun, and that populism is a bad for you even if their ideas sound nice to your peanut-sized brain. The problem is, people are idiots, so they vote like idiots. Voting would definitely work if there was an IQ requirement for it. Do you know Geert Wilders? Do you know how many votes his party got?
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An armed revolt? In Europe? :) What might work is a massive ad campaign to educate dumb people about the fact that political parties are not just for fun, and that populism is a bad for you even if their ideas sound nice to your peanut-sized brain. The problem is, people are idiots, so they vote like idiots. Voting would definitely work if there was an IQ requirement for it. Do you know Geert Wilders? Do you know how many votes his party got?
harold aptroot wrote:
An armed revolt? In Europe? Smile
In part that's why I asked, but mostly for ideas. People are idiots, but that's why I ask. There has been a lot of organizing as of late in Iowa that hasn't really been making the news. I had to watch a public broadcasting program to know about it. In some cases IQ should be required for having kids too.
harold aptroot wrote:
Do you know Geert Wilders? Do you know how many votes his party got?
I didn't know him by name per say, but recognized him as soon as I saw his picture on wikipedia. I don't know how many votes he got, but his head is screwed on a bit across the threads. I didn't know he was so off.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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An armed revolt? In Europe? :) What might work is a massive ad campaign to educate dumb people about the fact that political parties are not just for fun, and that populism is a bad for you even if their ideas sound nice to your peanut-sized brain. The problem is, people are idiots, so they vote like idiots. Voting would definitely work if there was an IQ requirement for it. Do you know Geert Wilders? Do you know how many votes his party got?
Umm, look at my latest thread in the Lounge... People are NOT going to take politics seriously, no matter how much you yell at them.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Umm, look at my latest thread in the Lounge... People are NOT going to take politics seriously, no matter how much you yell at them.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Umm, look at my latest thread in the Lounge... People are NOT going to take politics seriously, no matter how much you yell at them.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
We get the government we deserve, not the government we need?
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I've often thought this, but it's no reason to give up. Which is why in a way all us citizens voted for the bailouts, the recession, the wars, CIA rendition, and everything else our government does in our name. You know the saying, you reap what you sow. That's where we're at right now harvest time. I want to change the crop.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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I've often thought this, but it's no reason to give up. Which is why in a way all us citizens voted for the bailouts, the recession, the wars, CIA rendition, and everything else our government does in our name. You know the saying, you reap what you sow. That's where we're at right now harvest time. I want to change the crop.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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harold aptroot wrote:
An armed revolt? In Europe? Smile
In part that's why I asked, but mostly for ideas. People are idiots, but that's why I ask. There has been a lot of organizing as of late in Iowa that hasn't really been making the news. I had to watch a public broadcasting program to know about it. In some cases IQ should be required for having kids too.
harold aptroot wrote:
Do you know Geert Wilders? Do you know how many votes his party got?
I didn't know him by name per say, but recognized him as soon as I saw his picture on wikipedia. I don't know how many votes he got, but his head is screwed on a bit across the threads. I didn't know he was so off.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
I don't think I really have the answers.. People have always been idiots, I don't think it will ever really change, and any attempts to take away the power they abuse is likely to backfire. Putting more money in education wouldn't hurt though. Civics is one of the most despised mandatory subjects, at least that was the case at the school I went to. I think they could do better than "pure torture", if they tried. But then of course the only way of getting people to do anything is giving them money. So be it.
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I knew you would chime in with that... This isn't socialism or fascism. This is capitalism taken to extremes. He didn't pay for fire protection, so they let his house burn down. If it was socialism, they would have come anyway, and just charged it to the taxpayers. If it was fascism, they would have burnt his house down themselves for failure to pay.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)You can't get rid of capitalism, however when you try to make a society socialist or facist capitalism is taken to the extreme using draconian laws instead of free-market principles.
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You can't get rid of capitalism, however when you try to make a society socialist or facist capitalism is taken to the extreme using draconian laws instead of free-market principles.
Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]
Exactly how is this a "draconian law?" He didn't pay for his fire protection service, so they didn't put out the fire.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Exactly how is this a "draconian law?" He didn't pay for his fire protection service, so they didn't put out the fire.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Exactly how is this a "draconian law?" He didn't pay for his fire protection service, so they didn't put out the fire.
That's exactly that.
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