Do you enjoy your job?
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
SciGama wrote:
Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
Absolutely not! But anyone who expects every day at even the best of jobs to be wonderful is in for some serious disapointment. No matter how much you love what you're doing, there will be days, weeks, months when it's a struggle to get through each day. But these should be temporary things, and rare, else you're in the wrong place. I have a great job, doing what I was born to do, and I go for long periods when I can't wait for the sun to come up so I can get to work. I design things, and it being a small company, I also get to build a lot of what I design. It doesn't get much better than that for an engineer! :-D But there are still times when it's a drag - when the job's done, and the boss won't give me a week to clean up the final drawings; when the accountant quits, and the boss assigns me to do the accounting reports for all the electric meters; when there's power purchase contracts to be negotiated and I have to sit in a room full of lawyers and deal with their bullshite, day after day. And since taking over the sewer and water operations for the area, I now have to track and file all the trouble reports and well monitoring data that gets collected every day. It's bean counter work, and I hate it. On the other hand, I now have water and sewer systems to design and build, along with all the control systems that make them work correctly. That's a whole new line of work for me, and there's a huge learning curve, so I'm buying books, studying nights and weekends, and doing prototypes in my shop to try things I want to do at work. When I need a break from that, I program apps to make my job a little easier, which in turn will make the job a bit less tedious for whoever may follow me in this position. The point of all this is that, yes, enjoying your job is possible. If you love IT, and find the right working environment to match your personality and working style, you'll love your work. If you don't love it, you're in the wrong place, or you picked IT for the wrong reasons. That's not an uncommon thing, you know. A lot of people get lured into the profession because of the salaries paid, the fun workplaces depicted by the media, and of course, the dating opportunities. All of them are wrong reasons, and I can think of few fates more hellish than spending the rest of one's life doing a job that isn't fun, challenging, and personally rewarding. Even if what you really love is be
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
SciGama wrote:
Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day?
Mostly Yes.
SciGama wrote:
Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management.
Yes.
SciGama wrote:
Do you have good communication with your management and team mates?
Yes.
SciGama wrote:
Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions?
Yes.
SciGama wrote:
Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
No. I think it is a possible dream. Sometimes it is difficult, but eventually it is possible to find a job that you truly enjoy.
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
SciGama wrote:
Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day?
Depends on the weather. When it comes to my work I really enjoy it (well, most of the time :) ) but if it is dark and raining when I get up in the morning I am looking forward only to going back to bed - at least until I have my coffee. As for the other questions, the answer is yes. My managers are programmers and that helps a lot.
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
SciGama wrote:
Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions?
*sigh* I can't be bothered to read the last line of this blatant advertisement for personnel services.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yes to all of those. You won't really know for sure that you want the job until you accept the position and become part of the dev environment The only thing you can really do before taking a job is determining if you want to work on the types of applications they're developing with the tools they're using. For instance, I won't work at a company that is still using VS2005 for current development. There's absolutely no reason to stay with that version of the IDE five years down the road. I also only work on C# applications as a general rule. You have to establish your minimum acceptable standards and find a job that fits (and hopefully, exceeds) them. After you get hired, you get familiar with the team and then decide wther or not you can work in that environment. I've personally never been so put off by an existing team member that I can't still work within that team. I have, however, been on a team where one of the programmers didn't like me, but his attitude was nullified by my ability to code. He really had no room to bitch about my work performance, and he was a pretty good developer in his own right, so we established a respect for eachother's abilities, but never spoke regarding anything but work.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001modified on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 8:22 AM
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I also only work on C# applications as a general rule.
Have you truly embraced C#, or just given up on finding a C++ job?
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
I went cold turkey on C++ in August 2007, and haven't looked back. I still don't like .Net, but that's where the money is nowadays.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Yes to all of those. You won't really know for sure that you want the job until you accept the position and become part of the dev environment The only thing you can really do before taking a job is determining if you want to work on the types of applications they're developing with the tools they're using. For instance, I won't work at a company that is still using VS2005 for current development. There's absolutely no reason to stay with that version of the IDE five years down the road. I also only work on C# applications as a general rule. You have to establish your minimum acceptable standards and find a job that fits (and hopefully, exceeds) them. After you get hired, you get familiar with the team and then decide wther or not you can work in that environment. I've personally never been so put off by an existing team member that I can't still work within that team. I have, however, been on a team where one of the programmers didn't like me, but his attitude was nullified by my ability to code. He really had no room to bitch about my work performance, and he was a pretty good developer in his own right, so we established a respect for eachother's abilities, but never spoke regarding anything but work.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001modified on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 8:22 AM
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I have, however, been on a team where one of the programmers didn't like me, but his attitude was nullified by my ability to code. He really had no room to bitch about my work performance, and he was a pretty good developer in his own right, so we established a respect for each other's abilities, but never spoke regarding anything but work.
I just 'finished' that sort of experience. I've been here 20 years. Another engineer, who'd been here longer, decided back when I started that I was incompetent because of the project I was working on, rather than anything based on my individual performance. The project itself was in a wee bit of trouble, which was the reason I was hired in as a consultant and then offered a full time position. Even long after that initial project was finished (successfully, mind you), and I had done other things, this guy still thought I was an idiot. Every time I dealt with him, he lied, obfuscated, or misdirected his answers. Eventually I gave up on dealing with him at all, and went to one of the other guys on his project. Fortunately, this guy retired a couple months ago. Upon further reflection, maybe this guy's just an asshole.
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
I wake up in the morning looking forward to what I didn’t accomplish yesterday, and I feel sick and stupid and I can’t wait to get back to it. Really! I know that when the boss comes in and asks, “How’s it going?”, that what she really wants to know is “Have you finished the FTL Drive, or the Anti-Gravity code that you said that you could write yet?.” And so I start to communicate in a most cordial manner. Teammates, do you mean those people that I dragged down into this bottomless pit with me when I said that we could do all of those things that no one has ever been able to do before, and do it in half the time?! Yes, they all just love me! I am not allowed to have opinions, only promises to keep, so maybe trust is not an issue here. :laugh:
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yes, yes, yes, yes It takes a few trying and job hoping, and maturity, but you can get there! :)
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
yes,yes,yes,yes, and they provide soda, coffee, tea, etc. and on fridays, beer. :-D
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But let's be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else... -"The conversations he was having with himself were becoming ominous."-.. On the radio...
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
No, Yes, Yes,Yes I got lucky and manged to find a small startup with likeminded fun people and the work is versitile and interesting. Yeah getting up in the morning is generally painful but once at work its fine. Maybe I should just sleep on my desk at work :)
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
I used to, but over the last few years they cut the IT team down to just me. As of last week they let my boss go and I don't even know who I answer to anymore. I have plenty of programming work which I love, so I am busy. It just seems like I'm stranded out here on an Island with no one to talk to except for you guys on CP. The users on the floor have no idea how technology works or even why we need it, so I feel kind of unappreciated with all of the other IT techies gone. However, I do look forward to the paycheck every other week and that keeps me going! :sigh:
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
yes,yes,yes and yes. Find something you love and just do it! :-D
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
Not a pipe dream, but you may have to wait and jump ship a few times before an enjoyable atmosphere meets up with the actual work. My experiences have shown that the larger the company the worse the mgmt can take away that enjoyment. Frivolous, arbitrary promises of meeting a schedulae, turf wars, etc. can take ALL the fun out of work.
Danny Mullen
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Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day? Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management. Do you have good communication with your management and team mates? Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions? I just wanted to get quick points of view from other developers out there. I am working really hard to find an IT job that i really want. Do you think enjoying your job is a pipe dream?
SciGama wrote:
Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day?
No, at present I actually dread what each morning brings
SciGama wrote:
Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management.
Not at all, my current manager is the worst manager I have ever had the displeasure of working with, I have even had clients ask me discreetly not to bring him to site with me ever again
SciGama wrote:
Do you have good communication with your management and team mates?
Not at all, my manager is very inaccessible, constantly has his door closed, never informs his department of his location, sometimes he disappears for a week without a word. And the last time i attempted to talk to him and another manager about resourcing I had an informal complaint made against me
SciGama wrote:
Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions?
Definitely not. To put all this in context I am a developer by trade, and now attempt to specialise in user experience design. My previous company was part of an acquisition a bit over a year ago, the first 6 months were fine as we were finishing projects we had already been working on, the last 8 months have been hell, the new company have discontinued our previous product offerings without assessing them and are attempting to migrate clients to their own inferior system and I have been relegated to "support" their crappy products. My division manager at my last company has also been consistently demoted 4 times in the past year to a general pleb developer. In contrast the previous company that was acquired I absolutely loved working for, and the answers to all your questions then would have been YES!
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SciGama wrote:
Do you wake up in the morning looking foward to what you have to do that day?
No, at present I actually dread what each morning brings
SciGama wrote:
Do you have a good cordial relationship with your management.
Not at all, my current manager is the worst manager I have ever had the displeasure of working with, I have even had clients ask me discreetly not to bring him to site with me ever again
SciGama wrote:
Do you have good communication with your management and team mates?
Not at all, my manager is very inaccessible, constantly has his door closed, never informs his department of his location, sometimes he disappears for a week without a word. And the last time i attempted to talk to him and another manager about resourcing I had an informal complaint made against me
SciGama wrote:
Do you have support of your management and do they trust your opinions?
Definitely not. To put all this in context I am a developer by trade, and now attempt to specialise in user experience design. My previous company was part of an acquisition a bit over a year ago, the first 6 months were fine as we were finishing projects we had already been working on, the last 8 months have been hell, the new company have discontinued our previous product offerings without assessing them and are attempting to migrate clients to their own inferior system and I have been relegated to "support" their crappy products. My division manager at my last company has also been consistently demoted 4 times in the past year to a general pleb developer. In contrast the previous company that was acquired I absolutely loved working for, and the answers to all your questions then would have been YES!
NO NO NO NO I certainly do not look forward to coming to work I very much doubt my manager knows how to communicate without shouting. Everytime , even just to say simple thing , he is shouting and swearing. He wants everything done his way and we have no room for innovative ideas. He once threatened to fire a co-worker , after he used Entity Framework in a project. He insists we use ADO Recordset from the VB 6.0 age although we using .NET 3.5!! You can copy and paste our code into a VB 6 compiler and it will run. No .NET goodness!! Management trusts our boss. That obviously means we are not trusted. To paraphrase a co-worker, we are having a career break , there is no growth in terms of skill or anything. I definitely don't enjoy it and thinking of resigning even before I have another job! Any advice ??