Russian weather forecasters predict a record cold winter on its way
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Forecasters say this winter could be the coldest Europe has seen in the last 1,000 years.[^] Now OK, I hear the weather isnt climate argument coming. But recall, some years back the sea froze in the English Channel. A year later Gatwick ran out of deicer. Then London had the first October snow for 70 years, and a year later a new cold record was set in Scotland, and the UK was entirely blanketed by snow (OK, I am English, I tend to follow the UK news a bit). However the current winter in the southern hemisphere has seen record cold in Australia and South America. So when does weather become climate?
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According to Dictionary.Reference.com: Weather: the state of the atmosphere with respect to wind, temperature, cloudiness, moisture, pressure, etc. Climate: the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a series of years. So, basically, just take your time ;-)
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According to Dictionary.Reference.com: Weather: the state of the atmosphere with respect to wind, temperature, cloudiness, moisture, pressure, etc. Climate: the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a series of years. So, basically, just take your time ;-)
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Forecasters say this winter could be the coldest Europe has seen in the last 1,000 years.[^] Now OK, I hear the weather isnt climate argument coming. But recall, some years back the sea froze in the English Channel. A year later Gatwick ran out of deicer. Then London had the first October snow for 70 years, and a year later a new cold record was set in Scotland, and the UK was entirely blanketed by snow (OK, I am English, I tend to follow the UK news a bit). However the current winter in the southern hemisphere has seen record cold in Australia and South America. So when does weather become climate?
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- Find list of all weather records being set this year 2) Ignore hot ones, complain about cold ones 3) Ignore fact that neither are relevant, because weather != climate 4) ??? 5) Profit! Or, in layman's terms... :zzz:
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- Find list of all weather records being set this year 2) Ignore hot ones, complain about cold ones 3) Ignore fact that neither are relevant, because weather != climate 4) ??? 5) Profit! Or, in layman's terms... :zzz:
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Ignore hot ones, complain about cold ones
Guess why? Its because we are being told that right now is on of the hottest years in the last 150 years. I dont believe it can be if so many cold records are being set. (BTW if I was being told wew were in an ice age and warn records were being set I would post those.) Its called a counter point, get it?
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Ignore fact that neither are relevant, because weather != climate
Already stated that in my post. If youve got an debate (which by your standards must include providing evidence for the very thing you are debating against) then please post it. Otherwise :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Ignore hot ones, complain about cold ones
Guess why? Its because we are being told that right now is on of the hottest years in the last 150 years. I dont believe it can be if so many cold records are being set. (BTW if I was being told wew were in an ice age and warn records were being set I would post those.) Its called a counter point, get it?
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Ignore fact that neither are relevant, because weather != climate
Already stated that in my post. If youve got an debate (which by your standards must include providing evidence for the very thing you are debating against) then please post it. Otherwise :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Cold records are set Hot records are set This in itself suggests that things are becoming more extreme... i.e. "changing"... Of course, you just want to simplify this to "Thermometer goes up = Bad, Thermometer goes down = Good"
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Cold records are set Hot records are set This in itself suggests that things are becoming more extreme... i.e. "changing"... Of course, you just want to simplify this to "Thermometer goes up = Bad, Thermometer goes down = Good"
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We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself.
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You're repeating yourself every time you start another thread about some weather record.
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You're repeating yourself every time you start another thread about some weather record.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself.
Praise the Lord! :laugh:
Cheers, विक्रम (Got my troika of CCCs!) After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.
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Forecasters say this winter could be the coldest Europe has seen in the last 1,000 years.[^] Now OK, I hear the weather isnt climate argument coming. But recall, some years back the sea froze in the English Channel. A year later Gatwick ran out of deicer. Then London had the first October snow for 70 years, and a year later a new cold record was set in Scotland, and the UK was entirely blanketed by snow (OK, I am English, I tend to follow the UK news a bit). However the current winter in the southern hemisphere has seen record cold in Australia and South America. So when does weather become climate?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
We need to take action now, cut carbon emissions by 80%, enact carbon taxes now. So when it is cold out, you will not be able to afford to heat your home and you will die, for the earth ofcourse.
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Forecasters say this winter could be the coldest Europe has seen in the last 1,000 years.[^] Now OK, I hear the weather isnt climate argument coming. But recall, some years back the sea froze in the English Channel. A year later Gatwick ran out of deicer. Then London had the first October snow for 70 years, and a year later a new cold record was set in Scotland, and the UK was entirely blanketed by snow (OK, I am English, I tend to follow the UK news a bit). However the current winter in the southern hemisphere has seen record cold in Australia and South America. So when does weather become climate?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
"sigh" It has been explained to you time after time that the effects of global warming are predicted to be adverse and often extreme changes in weather. These can range from increased amount and strength of hurricanes off the americas. Increased cold or heat extremes in any part of the world. Increased flooding in any part of the world. It does not and no one has suggested that it does mean just that the weather will get warmer in isolation from all the other effects.
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We need to take action now, cut carbon emissions by 80%, enact carbon taxes now. So when it is cold out, you will not be able to afford to heat your home and you will die, for the earth ofcourse.
Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]
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"sigh" It has been explained to you time after time that the effects of global warming are predicted to be adverse and often extreme changes in weather. These can range from increased amount and strength of hurricanes off the americas. Increased cold or heat extremes in any part of the world. Increased flooding in any part of the world. It does not and no one has suggested that it does mean just that the weather will get warmer in isolation from all the other effects.
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I tried... It doesn't work... Getting fat_boy to understand global warming / climate change is like getting CSS to understand libertarianism. It just isn't in the cards.
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I tried... It doesn't work... Getting fat_boy to understand global warming / climate change is like getting CSS to understand libertarianism. It just isn't in the cards.
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You're repeating yourself every time you start another thread about some weather record.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)This is why it's not worth discussing with him about. He's boring the hell out of subject.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Forecasters say this winter could be the coldest Europe has seen in the last 1,000 years.[^] Now OK, I hear the weather isnt climate argument coming. But recall, some years back the sea froze in the English Channel. A year later Gatwick ran out of deicer. Then London had the first October snow for 70 years, and a year later a new cold record was set in Scotland, and the UK was entirely blanketed by snow (OK, I am English, I tend to follow the UK news a bit). However the current winter in the southern hemisphere has seen record cold in Australia and South America. So when does weather become climate?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I have a business idea for you "Fly Clean, Fly Green" - Departure lounge enemas. Research has shown that on average an enema will remove 50 - 100 grams of faecal matter. If every passenger on a 747 was to remove this much body weight the resulting fuel savings would save 5 trees per 1000kms travelled. I reckon there's money in it.
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You're repeating yourself every time you start another thread about some weather record.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
fat_boy wrote:
We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself.
Praise the Lord! :laugh:
Cheers, विक्रम (Got my troika of CCCs!) After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.
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"sigh" It has been explained to you time after time that the effects of global warming are predicted to be adverse and often extreme changes in weather. These can range from increased amount and strength of hurricanes off the americas. Increased cold or heat extremes in any part of the world. Increased flooding in any part of the world. It does not and no one has suggested that it does mean just that the weather will get warmer in isolation from all the other effects.
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Well, although this is often stated the only real prediction is that some areas might experience more rainfall and others less, and these only come from computer models. Studies of extreme weather events in the past have found no correlation between them and temperatures, this was one of the errors discoverd in the AR4. There are also experts, such as Lindzen, who suggest that the reduction in temperature gradient betwen the poles and tropics will lead to less extreme weather so this area is vey much undecided. But ultimately global warming must lead to warmer weather over long periods of time (climate), so your statement is illogical. If not then there isnt warming and the system retuns to stasis, which would indicate there are strong negative feedbacks at play.
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