About VB
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Lol - I think this line here sums it up well: Notorious SMC wrote: A C++ programmer can easily pick up VB but a VB Programmer would have a hard time trying to learn C++ It's not necessarily VB so much as "programmers" who learn VB, never progress any further, and then give programmers in general a bad name. You will see a lot of retaliatory threads on the subject of each tool has it's uses, etc. Notorious SMC wrote: Managers seems to like it a lot as opposed to C++. I suppose it's coz managers like what they can see and touch I think this is also because for tight deadlines they know that VB will be faster. Tools, tools, tools... ;)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages
Megan Forbes wrote: give programmers in general a bad name YES! Just listen to this: Visual Basic Aaooaarghh!! How good to hear? BASIC? How good can a language be when the name is Visual Basic! ;P I would call VB Visual Bullshit Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
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You are one sick individual, and probably in need of counseling . Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
LOL! :laugh: "VB sucks" if I translated it right? :~ :) Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
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Christian Graus wrote:
you're just trying to make my quote list, aren't you ?
*gasp* Oh no! my secrets are out! :)
And that was suposed to be in favor of VB, more or less :P
Christian Graus wrote:
But you've just agreed that it requires no skill, is resource hungry and breaks your computer !!!
my point was that despite all these faults, VB does has it's shares of good points, mainly that it is easy to learn and useChristian Graus wrote:
The things that annoy me most about VB are not there ( like subs and functions, having to put end function and so on )
I agree on you with that point, it gets really frustrating, especially from a programmer to come from C++ to VB, since you tend to forget those end if's
Anyways, thanks for listening!Notorious SMC wrote: VB does has it's shares of good points, mainly that it is easy to learn and use As has been said before, perhaps part of our problem with it is that people too stupid to learn a decent language are credited as programmers, as the equals of people who know how to use a programming language, as opposed to a point and click environment. Notorious SMC wrote: I agree on you with that point The worst is when you need to remember not to put brackets when you call a function, because you've made it a sub by not grabbing the return value. I honestly believe the reason for this is that the compiler is too dumb and needs these prompts to figure out what is going on with return values. Notorious SMC wrote: Anyways, thanks for listening! No worries - welcome to CP !!!!! Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Lol - I think this line here sums it up well: Notorious SMC wrote: A C++ programmer can easily pick up VB but a VB Programmer would have a hard time trying to learn C++ It's not necessarily VB so much as "programmers" who learn VB, never progress any further, and then give programmers in general a bad name. You will see a lot of retaliatory threads on the subject of each tool has it's uses, etc. Notorious SMC wrote: Managers seems to like it a lot as opposed to C++. I suppose it's coz managers like what they can see and touch I think this is also because for tight deadlines they know that VB will be faster. Tools, tools, tools... ;)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages
Megan Forbes wrote: I think this is also because for tight deadlines they know that VB will be faster. I think it's also possible that even a manager can get *some* grasp of what is happening in VB. And as a manager they know VB programmers are easier to replace..... Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Megan Forbes wrote: give programmers in general a bad name YES! Just listen to this: Visual Basic Aaooaarghh!! How good to hear? BASIC? How good can a language be when the name is Visual Basic! ;P I would call VB Visual Bullshit Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
Rickard Andersson wrote: I would call VB Visual Bullshit I keep meaning to ask, are you 12 ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Rickard Andersson wrote: I would call VB Visual Bullshit I keep meaning to ask, are you 12 ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: are you 12 No. And why are you asking... I just said my word about VB! Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
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Christian Graus wrote: are you 12 No. And why are you asking... I just said my word about VB! Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
Rickard Andersson wrote: And why are you asking... I just said my word about VB! I don't necessarily disagree with the things you say, it's just that the way you say them makes me think you are in your low to mid teens. Stuff like 'VB sucks my d**k' is not usually how grown ups speak. I was just curious. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Hi! I'm my name's Nick and I'm relatively new to CP. I am a VB Programmer (ducks in anticipation of vegetable throwing to begin :) ) and I would like to talk a little about VB if I could. I started programming learning C++ and I loved it, to say the least. Sadly, the current economic state of my country( That's Malaysia to those that's curous) made it impossible for me to be picky about jobs, I got a job as a VB Programmer, and I've been at it for more than a year now. I'm much proficient at VB now that C++, due to the lack of practice :( From what I can see from the boards, a lot of people really don't like VB, mainly cause some of you complained that's it's too easy and that anyone can code in VB, but I thought that was the whole point of VB. Anyways, I've decided to list my view on VB 1) Managers seems to like it a lot as opposed to C++. I suppose it's coz managers like what they can see and touch :) 2) It takes less hassle (less skill) to code in VB than any other language that i know of 3) A C++ programmer can easily pick up VB but a VB Programmer would have a hard time trying to learn C++ 4) VB uses way too much resources, causing my PC's to hang a lot :( LOL this, obviously is not good! In summary, i would say that VB has more than it's shares of problems, but the redeeming quality is that it's so frikkin easy to use. Most programmers prefer VB to other languages due to it's simplicity. I guess what I'm trying to say is that "Give VB a break". If not, since more and more people are using VB, it is inevitable that we will take over the World !! bwahahahaha....errr jk! :) Anyways, that's just my 2 cents ( or more ).Thanks for listening....or not :P BTW: what do you all think about VB.net. Do you all hate it too ?, or do you think it has potential? From what I can see it's more or less the same as C# Nick
VB is as VB does
Notorious SMC wrote: Anyways, that's just my 2 cents ( or more ).Thanks for listening....or not Well done for saying that, but believe me, these guys will not listen or care. They will just roll out the VB jokes and start hurling. There is very little rationality behind their hatred, most of them have not even tried VB. They just go with the general flow of the VB Hating Culture, because it is cool of course and makes you look good because you are a C++ l33t 4axor, or however they spell it. Carry on doing your job, gettings jobs and making money and just move past these silly arguements. p.s. I switched to C# but only because the syntax is really nice to work with. If you like VB syntax then carry on.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Rickard Andersson wrote: And why are you asking... I just said my word about VB! I don't necessarily disagree with the things you say, it's just that the way you say them makes me think you are in your low to mid teens. Stuff like 'VB sucks my d**k' is not usually how grown ups speak. I was just curious. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: Stuff like 'VB sucks my d**k' is not usually how grown ups speak. I was just curious Well, I in my life where I'm more teenager than before and also more crazy than before! I can't help I am Me! (yikes... 'Me' is a keyword in VB) But okay... I will try handle my language as a grown up if you say my language is not a grown up... Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
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Notorious SMC wrote: Anyways, that's just my 2 cents ( or more ).Thanks for listening....or not Well done for saying that, but believe me, these guys will not listen or care. They will just roll out the VB jokes and start hurling. There is very little rationality behind their hatred, most of them have not even tried VB. They just go with the general flow of the VB Hating Culture, because it is cool of course and makes you look good because you are a C++ l33t 4axor, or however they spell it. Carry on doing your job, gettings jobs and making money and just move past these silly arguements. p.s. I switched to C# but only because the syntax is really nice to work with. If you like VB syntax then carry on.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Thanks for the support man ! And I'm not about saying that VB is good and all others is bad. In fact, I think Vb can be pretty frustrating at times, but ya gotta take in the good with the bad. IMHO,every languange has something going on for it, and is worth your time to learn it. All except ::insert hated programming language of choice:: of course! :P Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
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Notorious SMC wrote: Anyways, that's just my 2 cents ( or more ).Thanks for listening....or not Well done for saying that, but believe me, these guys will not listen or care. They will just roll out the VB jokes and start hurling. There is very little rationality behind their hatred, most of them have not even tried VB. They just go with the general flow of the VB Hating Culture, because it is cool of course and makes you look good because you are a C++ l33t 4axor, or however they spell it. Carry on doing your job, gettings jobs and making money and just move past these silly arguements. p.s. I switched to C# but only because the syntax is really nice to work with. If you like VB syntax then carry on.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: They will just roll out the VB jokes and start hurling. Yes, but when we meet Java programmers, we'll insert Java, and THEY insert .NET to tell them to us. Paul Watson wrote: most of them have not even tried VB. That may be true ( although I have ), but most of us have downloaded awful programs from the net that were written in VB, or worked with a VB programmer who was not worth the janitors wage. Paul Watson wrote: They just go with the general flow of the VB Hating Culture Have you considered that on the other side of the tree you simply are unable to listen to criticism of VB, and write it all of based on these sort of comments ? Paul Watson wrote: Carry on doing your job, gettings jobs and making money and just move past these silly arguements. Do you really only look at it as a job ? Do you not care what sort of resume you build ? I could have had a 50% pay increase if I'd move to VB, but I chose against it. That company will still be trying to sell VB apps in 10 years time, and I will be writing code in C++ and C#. I certainly believe C++ will live long after VB is dead ( give it three years ). Paul Watson wrote: I switched to C# but only because the syntax is really nice to work with It's probably that VB.NET is finally a decent language, surely you can see from using C# what a cowpat of a language VB6 was, not least because of the syntax which was NEVER 'really nice to work with' ??? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Hi! I'm my name's Nick and I'm relatively new to CP. I am a VB Programmer (ducks in anticipation of vegetable throwing to begin :) ) and I would like to talk a little about VB if I could. I started programming learning C++ and I loved it, to say the least. Sadly, the current economic state of my country( That's Malaysia to those that's curous) made it impossible for me to be picky about jobs, I got a job as a VB Programmer, and I've been at it for more than a year now. I'm much proficient at VB now that C++, due to the lack of practice :( From what I can see from the boards, a lot of people really don't like VB, mainly cause some of you complained that's it's too easy and that anyone can code in VB, but I thought that was the whole point of VB. Anyways, I've decided to list my view on VB 1) Managers seems to like it a lot as opposed to C++. I suppose it's coz managers like what they can see and touch :) 2) It takes less hassle (less skill) to code in VB than any other language that i know of 3) A C++ programmer can easily pick up VB but a VB Programmer would have a hard time trying to learn C++ 4) VB uses way too much resources, causing my PC's to hang a lot :( LOL this, obviously is not good! In summary, i would say that VB has more than it's shares of problems, but the redeeming quality is that it's so frikkin easy to use. Most programmers prefer VB to other languages due to it's simplicity. I guess what I'm trying to say is that "Give VB a break". If not, since more and more people are using VB, it is inevitable that we will take over the World !! bwahahahaha....errr jk! :) Anyways, that's just my 2 cents ( or more ).Thanks for listening....or not :P BTW: what do you all think about VB.net. Do you all hate it too ?, or do you think it has potential? From what I can see it's more or less the same as C# Nick
VB is as VB does
The analogy I like is this: If you are going to hang a picture on the wall, you use a small hammer. If you are going to build a house, you use a big hammer. The right tool for the right job. The only thing wrong with VB, is that managers who have seen if used successfully to hang a picture, believe that it can be used just as easily to build a house. It can't. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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you are welcome. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Hi! I'm my name's Nick and I'm relatively new to CP. I am a VB Programmer (ducks in anticipation of vegetable throwing to begin :) ) and I would like to talk a little about VB if I could. I started programming learning C++ and I loved it, to say the least. Sadly, the current economic state of my country( That's Malaysia to those that's curous) made it impossible for me to be picky about jobs, I got a job as a VB Programmer, and I've been at it for more than a year now. I'm much proficient at VB now that C++, due to the lack of practice :( From what I can see from the boards, a lot of people really don't like VB, mainly cause some of you complained that's it's too easy and that anyone can code in VB, but I thought that was the whole point of VB. Anyways, I've decided to list my view on VB 1) Managers seems to like it a lot as opposed to C++. I suppose it's coz managers like what they can see and touch :) 2) It takes less hassle (less skill) to code in VB than any other language that i know of 3) A C++ programmer can easily pick up VB but a VB Programmer would have a hard time trying to learn C++ 4) VB uses way too much resources, causing my PC's to hang a lot :( LOL this, obviously is not good! In summary, i would say that VB has more than it's shares of problems, but the redeeming quality is that it's so frikkin easy to use. Most programmers prefer VB to other languages due to it's simplicity. I guess what I'm trying to say is that "Give VB a break". If not, since more and more people are using VB, it is inevitable that we will take over the World !! bwahahahaha....errr jk! :) Anyways, that's just my 2 cents ( or more ).Thanks for listening....or not :P BTW: what do you all think about VB.net. Do you all hate it too ?, or do you think it has potential? From what I can see it's more or less the same as C# Nick
VB is as VB does
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Hi! I'm my name's Nick and I'm relatively new to CP. I am a VB Programmer (ducks in anticipation of vegetable throwing to begin :) ) and I would like to talk a little about VB if I could. I started programming learning C++ and I loved it, to say the least. Sadly, the current economic state of my country( That's Malaysia to those that's curous) made it impossible for me to be picky about jobs, I got a job as a VB Programmer, and I've been at it for more than a year now. I'm much proficient at VB now that C++, due to the lack of practice :( From what I can see from the boards, a lot of people really don't like VB, mainly cause some of you complained that's it's too easy and that anyone can code in VB, but I thought that was the whole point of VB. Anyways, I've decided to list my view on VB 1) Managers seems to like it a lot as opposed to C++. I suppose it's coz managers like what they can see and touch :) 2) It takes less hassle (less skill) to code in VB than any other language that i know of 3) A C++ programmer can easily pick up VB but a VB Programmer would have a hard time trying to learn C++ 4) VB uses way too much resources, causing my PC's to hang a lot :( LOL this, obviously is not good! In summary, i would say that VB has more than it's shares of problems, but the redeeming quality is that it's so frikkin easy to use. Most programmers prefer VB to other languages due to it's simplicity. I guess what I'm trying to say is that "Give VB a break". If not, since more and more people are using VB, it is inevitable that we will take over the World !! bwahahahaha....errr jk! :) Anyways, that's just my 2 cents ( or more ).Thanks for listening....or not :P BTW: what do you all think about VB.net. Do you all hate it too ?, or do you think it has potential? From what I can see it's more or less the same as C# Nick
VB is as VB does
I've used VB and I don't like it. I even hate using VBA in MS Office apps now. Having a warning flashed at me everytime I move from the current line to go copy something like a var name from a previous line is really grating after a while. The biggest problem with VB is that it's easy to do simple tasks, but as soon as you want to do something more complex you've got to jump through all sorts of hoops. And in regard to what CG said about downloading VB apps off the net. They have a certain look to them. often use non-standard UI conventions and the GUI is generally poorly planned. Now, before I download something, if the VB runtimes are mentioned, I think twice.
"What do you want to do tonight, Bill?"
"Same thing we do every night, Steve. Try to take over the world!"