More stupid journalists......
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Story today about the Bali bombings said they have identified the bombers, and had the following sentence. 'all the bombers are believed to be of the Islamic faith'. Well, duh. Isn't like, 99% of Bali of the Islamic faith ? Such statements are of no value, except to promote a 'them and us' mentality. I wondered if Bin Laden owns the paper.... On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper, but if it's true, it's no wonder the world is screwed. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Story today about the Bali bombings said they have identified the bombers, and had the following sentence. 'all the bombers are believed to be of the Islamic faith'. Well, duh. Isn't like, 99% of Bali of the Islamic faith ? Such statements are of no value, except to promote a 'them and us' mentality. I wondered if Bin Laden owns the paper.... On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper, but if it's true, it's no wonder the world is screwed. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper Maybe it is a total propoganda of western media but as far as I know this whole martyr thing is very well looked upon by fathers, mothers, family and friends. From what I have read the families of kids who go off to blow themselves up are paid "martyr money." Their photos are published in respected Palestinian newspapers, banners put up of them and their "funerals" are generally celebrated as that of a "hero of the Palestinian cause." i.e. Fathers are proud if their son, or even daughter, goes and does damage to the Israelis. The more the kid kills the better. Also here in Cape Town many Muslims support the suicide bombings, saying they are doing the right thing and they should carry on until all Israelis are dead and pushed into the sea.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Christian Graus wrote: On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper Maybe it is a total propoganda of western media but as far as I know this whole martyr thing is very well looked upon by fathers, mothers, family and friends. From what I have read the families of kids who go off to blow themselves up are paid "martyr money." Their photos are published in respected Palestinian newspapers, banners put up of them and their "funerals" are generally celebrated as that of a "hero of the Palestinian cause." i.e. Fathers are proud if their son, or even daughter, goes and does damage to the Israelis. The more the kid kills the better. Also here in Cape Town many Muslims support the suicide bombings, saying they are doing the right thing and they should carry on until all Israelis are dead and pushed into the sea.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Maybe it is a total propoganda of western media but as far as I know this whole martyr thing is very well looked upon by fathers, mothers, family and friends. That's the thing, it is so foreign to me that a parent would be glad for their child to die, that it seems likely that it's at least partly a media beat up. If not, then these people are so screwed up that I really don't know how they can coexist with me, except that they stay on the other side of the globe from me. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Paul Watson wrote: Maybe it is a total propoganda of western media but as far as I know this whole martyr thing is very well looked upon by fathers, mothers, family and friends. That's the thing, it is so foreign to me that a parent would be glad for their child to die, that it seems likely that it's at least partly a media beat up. If not, then these people are so screwed up that I really don't know how they can coexist with me, except that they stay on the other side of the globe from me. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: that it seems likely that it's at least partly a media beat up Well there is some truth to it for sure. When 911 happened some South Africans of Muslim/Islamic/Arab/Whatever-you-want-so-long-as-I-don't-start-another-bloody-"we arent all bad"-flame descent were happy. They cheered what happened, said the Americans deserved it. They did not dance in the streets like some other states, but they were pretty close. Some of the hijackers photographs were put on banners and the words "hero", "visionary" etc. were used to describe them. I would actually like one of those guys from that other Muslim thread to set us straight here: Do you, or any of your kind, celebrate the acts of suicide bombers? Is it a heroic, noble and honourable thing they are doing? Should fathers and mothers be proud of it? So far I have never recieved a straight reply on that, wish they would just tell us.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Story today about the Bali bombings said they have identified the bombers, and had the following sentence. 'all the bombers are believed to be of the Islamic faith'. Well, duh. Isn't like, 99% of Bali of the Islamic faith ? Such statements are of no value, except to promote a 'them and us' mentality. I wondered if Bin Laden owns the paper.... On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper, but if it's true, it's no wonder the world is screwed. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
I can't remember which agency, but I'm sure the news was stating at the time that one of the reasons why Bali was targetted out of all of Indonesia was that it has the largest Hindu population of the area. Although I am doubtful that this had as much influence as the fact that Bali is a popular destination for western world tourists.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages
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Christian Graus wrote: On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper Maybe it is a total propoganda of western media but as far as I know this whole martyr thing is very well looked upon by fathers, mothers, family and friends. From what I have read the families of kids who go off to blow themselves up are paid "martyr money." Their photos are published in respected Palestinian newspapers, banners put up of them and their "funerals" are generally celebrated as that of a "hero of the Palestinian cause." i.e. Fathers are proud if their son, or even daughter, goes and does damage to the Israelis. The more the kid kills the better. Also here in Cape Town many Muslims support the suicide bombings, saying they are doing the right thing and they should carry on until all Israelis are dead and pushed into the sea.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: From what I have read the families of kids who go off to blow themselves up are paid "martyr money." Their photos are published in respected Palestinian newspapers, Note that these "celebrations" actually begin before the kid goes out on a suicide mission. Thus, he really can't have second thoughts or his family will be shamed. Pretty sick state of affairs. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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Christian Graus wrote: that it seems likely that it's at least partly a media beat up Well there is some truth to it for sure. When 911 happened some South Africans of Muslim/Islamic/Arab/Whatever-you-want-so-long-as-I-don't-start-another-bloody-"we arent all bad"-flame descent were happy. They cheered what happened, said the Americans deserved it. They did not dance in the streets like some other states, but they were pretty close. Some of the hijackers photographs were put on banners and the words "hero", "visionary" etc. were used to describe them. I would actually like one of those guys from that other Muslim thread to set us straight here: Do you, or any of your kind, celebrate the acts of suicide bombers? Is it a heroic, noble and honourable thing they are doing? Should fathers and mothers be proud of it? So far I have never recieved a straight reply on that, wish they would just tell us.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Do you, or any of your kind, celebrate the acts of suicide bombers? Well, I'm not a muslim, but since I'm living in a country which is 70% populated by muslims, I think I can say that not all muslims are like what is described in the western papers. Many of them are equally horrified by these acts of terrorisms and would do everything to see it end. In my opinion, what irks muslims (at least those in my country) is the generalisation and typecasting they face.I know this is probably repatative, but true nonetheless Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
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Story today about the Bali bombings said they have identified the bombers, and had the following sentence. 'all the bombers are believed to be of the Islamic faith'. Well, duh. Isn't like, 99% of Bali of the Islamic faith ? Such statements are of no value, except to promote a 'them and us' mentality. I wondered if Bin Laden owns the paper.... On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper, but if it's true, it's no wonder the world is screwed. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper, but if it's true, it's no wonder the world is screwed. You should ask your cable operator to get "Al Manar" station, you'll find "Moms for Jihad" weekly show. They conduct interviews with mothers of suicide bombers, who praise their sons. The highlight is tips how to make your son a martyr. The opening is a video clip of a mother and her son before "action". Al-Jazeera is Bin-Laden only TV, get Al-Manar for balanced report on all terror networks:)
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Paul Watson wrote: Do you, or any of your kind, celebrate the acts of suicide bombers? Well, I'm not a muslim, but since I'm living in a country which is 70% populated by muslims, I think I can say that not all muslims are like what is described in the western papers. Many of them are equally horrified by these acts of terrorisms and would do everything to see it end. In my opinion, what irks muslims (at least those in my country) is the generalisation and typecasting they face.I know this is probably repatative, but true nonetheless Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
Notorious SMC wrote: Many of them are equally horrified by these acts of terrorisms and would do everything to see it end. Hmm, I haven't seen many Muslims showing up in large numbers throughout the streets of Europe and the rest of the world to protest terrorism. I think that would have a big impact on the situation if they would just stand up in massive demontrations and say "this is wrong". They are too quiet IMO. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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Christian Graus wrote: that it seems likely that it's at least partly a media beat up Well there is some truth to it for sure. When 911 happened some South Africans of Muslim/Islamic/Arab/Whatever-you-want-so-long-as-I-don't-start-another-bloody-"we arent all bad"-flame descent were happy. They cheered what happened, said the Americans deserved it. They did not dance in the streets like some other states, but they were pretty close. Some of the hijackers photographs were put on banners and the words "hero", "visionary" etc. were used to describe them. I would actually like one of those guys from that other Muslim thread to set us straight here: Do you, or any of your kind, celebrate the acts of suicide bombers? Is it a heroic, noble and honourable thing they are doing? Should fathers and mothers be proud of it? So far I have never recieved a straight reply on that, wish they would just tell us.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: So far I have never recieved a straight reply on that, wish they would just tell us. It seems to me that it's likely that there is a grain of truth in this for *some* Muslim folk, and that the rest would probably find it difficult to discuss. Either way, it seems to me that people like this both feed and feed off Bushes 'war on terror'. I think there's going to be a big war, many will die because of the few. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Paul Watson wrote: Do you, or any of your kind, celebrate the acts of suicide bombers? Well, I'm not a muslim, but since I'm living in a country which is 70% populated by muslims, I think I can say that not all muslims are like what is described in the western papers. Many of them are equally horrified by these acts of terrorisms and would do everything to see it end. In my opinion, what irks muslims (at least those in my country) is the generalisation and typecasting they face.I know this is probably repatative, but true nonetheless Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
Notorious SMC wrote: I think I can say that not all muslims are like what is described in the western papers. Many of them are equally horrified by these acts of terrorisms and would do everything to see it end. Any media that portrays all Muslims as evil flea infested camel lovers is obviously as pathetic and misguided as the terrorists themselves. I would not continue to read a newspaper that did that. Notorious SMC wrote: In my opinion, what irks muslims (at least those in my country) is the generalisation and typecasting they face.I know this is probably repatative, but true nonetheless So they go about bombing things because they don't like us labelling them? Ahh great, I feel better now. Are they so insecure as to fly into fits of rage because some equally stupid western journalist says something bad about them? Why don't they just shrug and get on with life? I don't beat Londoners up on the tube because they think I am a racist apartheid pig just because I am a white South African. If they persist I inform them I am not what they think I am and leave it at that.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Story today about the Bali bombings said they have identified the bombers, and had the following sentence. 'all the bombers are believed to be of the Islamic faith'. Well, duh. Isn't like, 99% of Bali of the Islamic faith ? Such statements are of no value, except to promote a 'them and us' mentality. I wondered if Bin Laden owns the paper.... On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper, but if it's true, it's no wonder the world is screwed. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
I am NOT trying to excuse bad journalism but Bali is predominantly Hindu. There is a sizable Islam population (off the top of my head about 20%) but the majority of these are Javanese and are considered by many native Balinese as "invaders". Although Indonesia as a whole is mostly Muslim, at "ground-level" it is a mishmash of different religions and that mishmash causes many of its problems. So... the journalist's comment had "some" value and was not necessarily superfluous. I can't tell from here. I do agree, however, that lots of the stories we read are crud. Paul Hooper If you spend your whole life looking over your shoulder, they will get you from the front instead.
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Notorious SMC wrote: Many of them are equally horrified by these acts of terrorisms and would do everything to see it end. Hmm, I haven't seen many Muslims showing up in large numbers throughout the streets of Europe and the rest of the world to protest terrorism. I think that would have a big impact on the situation if they would just stand up in massive demontrations and say "this is wrong". They are too quiet IMO. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
Senkwe Chanda wrote: Hmm, I haven't seen many Muslims showing up in large numbers throughout the streets of Europe and the rest of the world to protest terrorism. I think that would have a big impact on the situation if they would just stand up in massive demontrations and say "this is wrong". They are too quiet IMO. This is a good point. Why don't people stand up and say enough is enough. Once the terrorists lose the popular support, they become nothing more than commmon murderers. This is one of the things that helped the Northern Ireland situation when the "common" people started saying "Enough is enough" The problem with this world is not enough people stand up for what they believe is right. Too many people have the "oh, it's somebody else's problem" attitude. We need to get the power back to the people, where is belongs otherwise the minority will destroy our world. Michael Life’s not a song. Life isn’t bliss. Life is just this. It’s living. -- Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Once more, with feeling
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Christian Graus wrote: On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper, but if it's true, it's no wonder the world is screwed. You should ask your cable operator to get "Al Manar" station, you'll find "Moms for Jihad" weekly show. They conduct interviews with mothers of suicide bombers, who praise their sons. The highlight is tips how to make your son a martyr. The opening is a video clip of a mother and her son before "action". Al-Jazeera is Bin-Laden only TV, get Al-Manar for balanced report on all terror networks:)
:omg::omg::omg: If this is the case, my support for Bush is increasing. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Notorious SMC wrote: Many of them are equally horrified by these acts of terrorisms and would do everything to see it end. Hmm, I haven't seen many Muslims showing up in large numbers throughout the streets of Europe and the rest of the world to protest terrorism. I think that would have a big impact on the situation if they would just stand up in massive demontrations and say "this is wrong". They are too quiet IMO. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
Senkwe Chanda wrote: I haven't seen many Muslims showing up in large numbers throughout the streets of Europe and the rest of the world to protest terrorism This is said with the best possible light ever, but when do you ever read any news whose source is not originating from your country. The thing is, there ARE plenty of news and headlines where muslims declare their distaste and disgust on terrorism. In my country, muslims mourned the acts of 911 as much as anyone. I am not saying all this to endorse terrorisms or anything, just that people are people, regardless, or race and/or religion. There will always be fanatics, and they do not represent the majority. I am sure that many muslims who thought the US deserved it, and just as many americans who think the the muslims should all die, despite their innocence. Like I said, people are people. I hope i didn't offend too *many* people with that :( Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
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Christian Graus wrote: On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper Maybe it is a total propoganda of western media but as far as I know this whole martyr thing is very well looked upon by fathers, mothers, family and friends. From what I have read the families of kids who go off to blow themselves up are paid "martyr money." Their photos are published in respected Palestinian newspapers, banners put up of them and their "funerals" are generally celebrated as that of a "hero of the Palestinian cause." i.e. Fathers are proud if their son, or even daughter, goes and does damage to the Israelis. The more the kid kills the better. Also here in Cape Town many Muslims support the suicide bombings, saying they are doing the right thing and they should carry on until all Israelis are dead and pushed into the sea.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Try living with armed guards for 2-3 generations................ That is bound to distort peoples values X| Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Notorious SMC wrote: I think I can say that not all muslims are like what is described in the western papers. Many of them are equally horrified by these acts of terrorisms and would do everything to see it end. Any media that portrays all Muslims as evil flea infested camel lovers is obviously as pathetic and misguided as the terrorists themselves. I would not continue to read a newspaper that did that. Notorious SMC wrote: In my opinion, what irks muslims (at least those in my country) is the generalisation and typecasting they face.I know this is probably repatative, but true nonetheless So they go about bombing things because they don't like us labelling them? Ahh great, I feel better now. Are they so insecure as to fly into fits of rage because some equally stupid western journalist says something bad about them? Why don't they just shrug and get on with life? I don't beat Londoners up on the tube because they think I am a racist apartheid pig just because I am a white South African. If they persist I inform them I am not what they think I am and leave it at that.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Are they so insecure as to fly into fits of rage because some equally stupid western journalist says something bad about them? No, what i meant that is things are harder for muslims in my country because of recent press. Most of them, just go on with their lives as best as they can. I don't think (I hope) that any muslims in my country are stupid enough to do these acts
I just remembered this one story, where one muslim chap was so inspired by osama that he decided to go and join the jihad right away.The problem was, he went on a scooter and with 5 dollars in his wallet! Thankfully, he was caught right after he crossed the malaysian border. Makes you think about the IQ and the state of mid of these people, doesn't it!! Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
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Try living with armed guards for 2-3 generations................ That is bound to distort peoples values X| Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: Try living with armed guards for 2-3 generations................ That is bound to distort peoples values For sure. So why is the rest of the world so supportive of the Israelis if they are apparently doing such a barbaric thing? You would think if the whole Oil Conspiracy is true that America would be supporting the Palestinians to get favour with the oil producers, not supporting Israel. So convoluted I don't think anyone knows who they are supporting or why.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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:omg::omg::omg: If this is the case, my support for Bush is increasing. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: I haven't seen many Muslims showing up in large numbers throughout the streets of Europe and the rest of the world to protest terrorism This is said with the best possible light ever, but when do you ever read any news whose source is not originating from your country. The thing is, there ARE plenty of news and headlines where muslims declare their distaste and disgust on terrorism. In my country, muslims mourned the acts of 911 as much as anyone. I am not saying all this to endorse terrorisms or anything, just that people are people, regardless, or race and/or religion. There will always be fanatics, and they do not represent the majority. I am sure that many muslims who thought the US deserved it, and just as many americans who think the the muslims should all die, despite their innocence. Like I said, people are people. I hope i didn't offend too *many* people with that :( Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
There is no way that the kind of terrorist organizations we are seeing today emerging from and thriving in the middleeast could exist without the general consent and support of the average Joe Muslim. If, as a culture, they trully are horrified by this activity they would make a concerted effort to do something about it. If those Muslims horrified by terrorism trully represent a majority of the Islamic population they could control it easily and successfully. Obviously, they either cannot control it, or they will not control it. The issue is no more complex than that. In either case, we have to take action. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle