More stupid journalists......
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Christian Graus wrote: On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper, but if it's true, it's no wonder the world is screwed. You should ask your cable operator to get "Al Manar" station, you'll find "Moms for Jihad" weekly show. They conduct interviews with mothers of suicide bombers, who praise their sons. The highlight is tips how to make your son a martyr. The opening is a video clip of a mother and her son before "action". Al-Jazeera is Bin-Laden only TV, get Al-Manar for balanced report on all terror networks:)
:omg::omg::omg: If this is the case, my support for Bush is increasing. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Notorious SMC wrote: Many of them are equally horrified by these acts of terrorisms and would do everything to see it end. Hmm, I haven't seen many Muslims showing up in large numbers throughout the streets of Europe and the rest of the world to protest terrorism. I think that would have a big impact on the situation if they would just stand up in massive demontrations and say "this is wrong". They are too quiet IMO. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
Senkwe Chanda wrote: I haven't seen many Muslims showing up in large numbers throughout the streets of Europe and the rest of the world to protest terrorism This is said with the best possible light ever, but when do you ever read any news whose source is not originating from your country. The thing is, there ARE plenty of news and headlines where muslims declare their distaste and disgust on terrorism. In my country, muslims mourned the acts of 911 as much as anyone. I am not saying all this to endorse terrorisms or anything, just that people are people, regardless, or race and/or religion. There will always be fanatics, and they do not represent the majority. I am sure that many muslims who thought the US deserved it, and just as many americans who think the the muslims should all die, despite their innocence. Like I said, people are people. I hope i didn't offend too *many* people with that :( Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
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Christian Graus wrote: On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper Maybe it is a total propoganda of western media but as far as I know this whole martyr thing is very well looked upon by fathers, mothers, family and friends. From what I have read the families of kids who go off to blow themselves up are paid "martyr money." Their photos are published in respected Palestinian newspapers, banners put up of them and their "funerals" are generally celebrated as that of a "hero of the Palestinian cause." i.e. Fathers are proud if their son, or even daughter, goes and does damage to the Israelis. The more the kid kills the better. Also here in Cape Town many Muslims support the suicide bombings, saying they are doing the right thing and they should carry on until all Israelis are dead and pushed into the sea.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Try living with armed guards for 2-3 generations................ That is bound to distort peoples values X| Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Notorious SMC wrote: I think I can say that not all muslims are like what is described in the western papers. Many of them are equally horrified by these acts of terrorisms and would do everything to see it end. Any media that portrays all Muslims as evil flea infested camel lovers is obviously as pathetic and misguided as the terrorists themselves. I would not continue to read a newspaper that did that. Notorious SMC wrote: In my opinion, what irks muslims (at least those in my country) is the generalisation and typecasting they face.I know this is probably repatative, but true nonetheless So they go about bombing things because they don't like us labelling them? Ahh great, I feel better now. Are they so insecure as to fly into fits of rage because some equally stupid western journalist says something bad about them? Why don't they just shrug and get on with life? I don't beat Londoners up on the tube because they think I am a racist apartheid pig just because I am a white South African. If they persist I inform them I am not what they think I am and leave it at that.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: Are they so insecure as to fly into fits of rage because some equally stupid western journalist says something bad about them? No, what i meant that is things are harder for muslims in my country because of recent press. Most of them, just go on with their lives as best as they can. I don't think (I hope) that any muslims in my country are stupid enough to do these acts
I just remembered this one story, where one muslim chap was so inspired by osama that he decided to go and join the jihad right away.The problem was, he went on a scooter and with 5 dollars in his wallet! Thankfully, he was caught right after he crossed the malaysian border. Makes you think about the IQ and the state of mid of these people, doesn't it!! Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
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Try living with armed guards for 2-3 generations................ That is bound to distort peoples values X| Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: Try living with armed guards for 2-3 generations................ That is bound to distort peoples values For sure. So why is the rest of the world so supportive of the Israelis if they are apparently doing such a barbaric thing? You would think if the whole Oil Conspiracy is true that America would be supporting the Palestinians to get favour with the oil producers, not supporting Israel. So convoluted I don't think anyone knows who they are supporting or why.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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:omg::omg::omg: If this is the case, my support for Bush is increasing. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: I haven't seen many Muslims showing up in large numbers throughout the streets of Europe and the rest of the world to protest terrorism This is said with the best possible light ever, but when do you ever read any news whose source is not originating from your country. The thing is, there ARE plenty of news and headlines where muslims declare their distaste and disgust on terrorism. In my country, muslims mourned the acts of 911 as much as anyone. I am not saying all this to endorse terrorisms or anything, just that people are people, regardless, or race and/or religion. There will always be fanatics, and they do not represent the majority. I am sure that many muslims who thought the US deserved it, and just as many americans who think the the muslims should all die, despite their innocence. Like I said, people are people. I hope i didn't offend too *many* people with that :( Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
There is no way that the kind of terrorist organizations we are seeing today emerging from and thriving in the middleeast could exist without the general consent and support of the average Joe Muslim. If, as a culture, they trully are horrified by this activity they would make a concerted effort to do something about it. If those Muslims horrified by terrorism trully represent a majority of the Islamic population they could control it easily and successfully. Obviously, they either cannot control it, or they will not control it. The issue is no more complex than that. In either case, we have to take action. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Christian Graus wrote: On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper, but if it's true, it's no wonder the world is screwed. You should ask your cable operator to get "Al Manar" station, you'll find "Moms for Jihad" weekly show. They conduct interviews with mothers of suicide bombers, who praise their sons. The highlight is tips how to make your son a martyr. The opening is a video clip of a mother and her son before "action". Al-Jazeera is Bin-Laden only TV, get Al-Manar for balanced report on all terror networks:)
Felix Gartsman wrote: The highlight is tips how to make your son a martyr Is this some sick joke? :wtf:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages
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Felix Gartsman wrote: The highlight is tips how to make your son a martyr Is this some sick joke? :wtf:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages
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Trollslayer wrote: Try living with armed guards for 2-3 generations................ That is bound to distort peoples values For sure. So why is the rest of the world so supportive of the Israelis if they are apparently doing such a barbaric thing? You would think if the whole Oil Conspiracy is true that America would be supporting the Palestinians to get favour with the oil producers, not supporting Israel. So convoluted I don't think anyone knows who they are supporting or why.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: For sure. So why is the rest of the world so supportive of the Israelis if they are apparently doing such a barbaric thing? The fact that the smallest remark about Israel is reason enough to be branded as an antisemite might have something to do with this.
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Paul Watson wrote: For sure. So why is the rest of the world so supportive of the Israelis if they are apparently doing such a barbaric thing? The fact that the smallest remark about Israel is reason enough to be branded as an antisemite might have something to do with this.
William De Prêtre wrote: The fact that the smallest remark about Israel is reason enough to be branded as an antisemite might have something to do with this. I thought as much. Was just wondering if there were other reasons.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Trollslayer wrote: Try living with armed guards for 2-3 generations................ That is bound to distort peoples values For sure. So why is the rest of the world so supportive of the Israelis if they are apparently doing such a barbaric thing? You would think if the whole Oil Conspiracy is true that America would be supporting the Palestinians to get favour with the oil producers, not supporting Israel. So convoluted I don't think anyone knows who they are supporting or why.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: You would think if the whole Oil Conspiracy is true that America would be supporting the Palestinians to get favour with the oil producers, not supporting Israel. Thank you for that bit of sanity. We don't need to conquer any Arabic nation to have oil. The only thing they can do with it is sell it to us at market rates, which is far cheaper and much more certain than going to war to acquire it. What else are they going to do with it? Drink it? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Paul Watson wrote: Are they so insecure as to fly into fits of rage because some equally stupid western journalist says something bad about them? No, what i meant that is things are harder for muslims in my country because of recent press. Most of them, just go on with their lives as best as they can. I don't think (I hope) that any muslims in my country are stupid enough to do these acts
I just remembered this one story, where one muslim chap was so inspired by osama that he decided to go and join the jihad right away.The problem was, he went on a scooter and with 5 dollars in his wallet! Thankfully, he was caught right after he crossed the malaysian border. Makes you think about the IQ and the state of mid of these people, doesn't it!! Notorious SMC
Vb is as VB does
Notorious SMC wrote: Makes you think about the IQ and the state of mid of these people, doesn't it!! I just LOVE people who generalise X| Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Story today about the Bali bombings said they have identified the bombers, and had the following sentence. 'all the bombers are believed to be of the Islamic faith'. Well, duh. Isn't like, 99% of Bali of the Islamic faith ? Such statements are of no value, except to promote a 'them and us' mentality. I wondered if Bin Laden owns the paper.... On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper, but if it's true, it's no wonder the world is screwed. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
'all the bombers are believed to be of the Islamic faith'. Well, duh. Isn't like, 99% of Bali of the Islamic faith ? Most of the balinese people are Hindu, so the remark is not so misplaced. And a non-muslim italian has been brought in jail immediatly after the bombing, so the remark seem to exclude him from the suspects. On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I'm not surprised that the same happend in Japan for the "original" kamikazes. Fanatism and hate could lead to unnatural behaviours. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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Christian Graus wrote: On another front, apparently some father whose sons were killed in Israel/Palestine said that he was proud, he had raised his sons for Jihad. I dunno if I should believe it or not, in light of the other stories in the paper Maybe it is a total propoganda of western media but as far as I know this whole martyr thing is very well looked upon by fathers, mothers, family and friends. From what I have read the families of kids who go off to blow themselves up are paid "martyr money." Their photos are published in respected Palestinian newspapers, banners put up of them and their "funerals" are generally celebrated as that of a "hero of the Palestinian cause." i.e. Fathers are proud if their son, or even daughter, goes and does damage to the Israelis. The more the kid kills the better. Also here in Cape Town many Muslims support the suicide bombings, saying they are doing the right thing and they should carry on until all Israelis are dead and pushed into the sea.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
From what I have read the families of kids who go off to blow themselves up are paid "martyr money." And do you know who pays the martyr money? The Saudis and the Iraqis. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/04/25/ED59865.DTL Have you heard about the martyr necklaces? "I used to have plenty of Pokémons — my school bag was half full of them," Saleh said. "I threw them all away. They're not important now. The pictures of martyrs are important. They're our idols." -- Saleh, Palestinian, 14 Link ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion # rm /bin/laden /bin/laden: Not found
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Notorious SMC wrote: Makes you think about the IQ and the state of mid of these people, doesn't it!! I just LOVE people who generalise X| Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Makes you think about the IQ and the state of mid of these people, doesn't it!! I just LOVE people who generalise Are you seriously worried that Notorious is generalizing about people who want to help Osama Bin Ladin? X| ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion # rm /bin/laden /bin/laden: Not found
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Try living with armed guards for 2-3 generations................ That is bound to distort peoples values X| Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Well, don't forget that they added a good dose of self-destructive behavior to the mix. It's always conveninent to blame "the system", but people are not passive objects who simply react, as if they are inanimate objects following the laws of physics. Afterall, we can find examples of good resistence. India was ruled by Muslims for 1000 years, and then by the British. By "the system" logic, there never would've been a Ghandi. Equally, Martin Luther King should've never existed in the US. That's not to say that "the system" doesn't push people one direction or another, but it's not the determining factor in anything. The Palestinians really are playing a role in forming this self-destructive culture. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion # rm /bin/laden /bin/laden: Not found