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Yes it baffles me why we don't cut foreign aid, it's a complete waste of money.
Norm .net wrote:
it's a complete waste of money
Actually, it isn't a complete waste of money. I've seen what foreign aid does in a poor country, it buys influence and opens export markets. Occaisionally it helps people, but that is pretty much a fringe benefit.
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But look what we gave you! We created India, it was a bunch of individual states. Civil Service, Trains, The English Language, Democracy, Curry. Still, I think we have paid enough now, build your own space ships! :)
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Dalek Dave wrote:
We created India, it was a bunch of individual states.
Mussolini did the same for Italy, but he got his just desserts.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Civil Service
You're right. We should all burn in Hell.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Trains
... And now every country in the world has faster (between 250 and 450km/h in China) and better trains than ours.
Dalek Dave wrote:
The English Language
There's no such thing. After years of research, I have yet to find a single word in "the English language" that's etymologically attributable to natives of England before all the invasions started.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Democracy
The Magna Carter wasn't a contract for democracy; it was a document that handed the power of the crown down to barons and landowners, and began centuries of the worst kind of feudal governance possible.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Curry
Well, you can stuff her and her salmonella-sticated eggs! Oh. Major already did.
Dalek Dave wrote:
build your own space ships!
They don't want spaceships that go up into space and stay there; they want the kind that goes up, then comes straight back down, delivering its nuclear payload. That's a good thing, because it's cheaper. Have you seen NASA's prices?!?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Keith Barrow wrote:
No, you were being derogatory about a race, which you named, this is pretty much a definition of racism. I quote once more: "You are the Arab equivalent of knowledge". How is this not racist? It is pretty clear that whatever you consider the "Arab Equivelent of Knowledge" to be, it is (and therefore by extension Arabs) inferior to some other standard you hold.
Oh my, so we must now refrain from using a popular example from history to convey our point across with lesser words. That must be fun. As I said, why do you have to always read between lines and make every damn thing look like a race issue? There are better places for better use of such critical analysis.
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bleedingfingers wrote:
Oh my, so we must now refrain from using a popular example from history to convey our point across with lesser words
What popular example? I didn't see one. I'm assuming that you mean the "Arab Equivalent of Knowledge" because this is what we are discussing really. The Blood Libel was a "popular example" of why people should be anti semitic, this didn't stop it being totally racist. I'm sailing closer to Godwin's law than I'd like, but this illustrates my point exactly.
bleedingfingers wrote:
As I said, why do you have to always read between lines and make every damn thing look like a race issue?
Where else have I made race an issue? In ~10 years as a member of the CodeProject I have reported exactly two people for racism. You are the second. The first was someone who wrote some very explicit anti-Arabic [as it happens] abuse in Arabic (presumably in the hope of not getting caught). So "make everything look like a race issue" is possibly going to far perhaps? What lines are to be read between, you clearly implied that the "Arabic Equivalent of knowledge" is inferior.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
modified on Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:49 AM
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Read your history books. 3000 BC we had flushing toilets and trade with the east. It took the Romans 3 attempts to take the Islands, and even then they had to garrison the largest part of their army here because we fought them for 400 years. We do not take shit!
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bleedingfingers wrote:
You are the Arab equivalent of knowledge, you hardly came up with anything original and just propagated what you came across.
I've reported this message as abuse, I think it is racist. My wife is an Arab, and for some reason it is OK to attack them, but not other groups. How dare you assume all Arabs are the same, just an ignorant attitude from an ignorant person.
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Read your history books. 3000 BC we had flushing toilets and trade with the east. It took the Romans 3 attempts to take the Islands, and even then they had to garrison the largest part of their army here because we fought them for 400 years. We do not take shit!
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Keith Barrow wrote:
I've reported this message as abuse
I vote to have this thread moved to the Soap Box forum where it belongs. Matter of fact, any thread that has rivalry between cultures should be done in the Soap Box fourm at the least.
Just do it!
This is the best thing to do with it.
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You're telling me, I'm from Newcastle, my Grandad was a welder for Swan Hunters. I used to work in Sunderland (at one point the world's largest shipbuilers) it is a total wasteland (or more of a wasteland than it would've been if the yards handn't closed :-)).
I'm originally from North Shields, and my dad was a marine fitter at Swan's, and pretty much every other yard on the Tyne, Wear and Tees over the years. He even had spells at Camel Laird in Liverpool and on the Clyde at Clydebank. It's nothing short of criminal that the future of such a strategic industry now rests on a couple of yards in Glasgow and Portsmouth. Just the kind of short-sightedness that left us under-armed between the wars. Of course we'll never have to fight another large-scale conflict will we? Obviously I hope we won't but the lessons of history would suggest otherwise :( . Andy B
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Read your history books. 3000 BC we had flushing toilets and trade with the east. It took the Romans 3 attempts to take the Islands, and even then they had to garrison the largest part of their army here because we fought them for 400 years. We do not take shit!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
we fought them for 400 years
You are a bunch of stubborn buggers, aren't you.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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bleedingfingers wrote:
Oh my, so we must now refrain from using a popular example from history to convey our point across with lesser words
What popular example? I didn't see one. I'm assuming that you mean the "Arab Equivalent of Knowledge" because this is what we are discussing really. The Blood Libel was a "popular example" of why people should be anti semitic, this didn't stop it being totally racist. I'm sailing closer to Godwin's law than I'd like, but this illustrates my point exactly.
bleedingfingers wrote:
As I said, why do you have to always read between lines and make every damn thing look like a race issue?
Where else have I made race an issue? In ~10 years as a member of the CodeProject I have reported exactly two people for racism. You are the second. The first was someone who wrote some very explicit anti-Arabic [as it happens] abuse in Arabic (presumably in the hope of not getting caught). So "make everything look like a race issue" is possibly going to far perhaps? What lines are to be read between, you clearly implied that the "Arabic Equivalent of knowledge" is inferior.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
modified on Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:49 AM
I think you might be an Englishman as I am going to say something about cricket. It is well known how South Africans have been at the receiving end of luck or bad judgment in at least three World Cups that they must have easily won or at least made the finals a hard one. ('92, '99 and 2003). Now, when I use South Africa's cricketing failures (or even India's corruption) as an example to describe something that is similar, if people mistake that for the whole apartheid or caste system thing, it is the interpreters' fault. There are proper examples and there are grossly disrespectful and gory ones like the anti-Semitic ones you mentioned. And by "you" I meant "one" as is usually said. It wasn't a personal attack. That said, I completely understand your overreaction (which I think this is. Come back to this thread a few days later and you'll realise). Arabs, especially Muslims, are constant target for bashing and name calling. Having someone as close as your life partner to be an Arab no doubt made you jump the gun in her and "her people's" defense. I don't think it is of any use here to tell that I happen to have made friends with Lebanese and Algerian Berbers (but yeah, I don't like Khaleejis) in my travels inside India because you would think I am "backtracking" etc.
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21st October 1805 Nelson defeated the villainous French at the battle of Trafalgar. To mark this we have lost The Ark Royal, no Aircraft for our Aircraft Carriers for 9 years and major cuts across the board. I always though Navy Cuts were a type of cigarette, (We know how sailors love tobacco, always up for some rough shag). Strangely, despite having to cut £3,000,000,000 from the defence budget, we appear to be giving foreign aid. So help foreigners at the cost of defending the country? Very odd. Personally we should cut all foreign aid to countries with nuclear technology, if you can afford that you don't need our money. Also we have to pay into EU Funds. That should stop as well. Oh look, I have just saved £20 Billion a year! /rant
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That's nothing compared to Americans: they spent 3,000,000,000,000 USD to restore democracy in a foreign country but don't want to spend a dime to help their own.
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That's nothing compared to Americans: they spent 3,000,000,000,000 USD to restore democracy in a foreign country but don't want to spend a dime to help their own.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Over a billion a year to India! We can't afford to give old people a decent pension, but can give this kind of money to a country with a space program!
Really? Would you please provide a link on how to apply such aid? I know a couple of countries more qualified (they have no old people and no space program). :-D
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bleedingfingers wrote:
Well, neither did British invent any of those...
Man are you so bitter and living in the past that you believe the shit you are peddling? Never heard of Richard Trevithick[^] or George Stephenson[^] I forgot how advanced and civilised India was. With it's disease and malnutrition, and it's interfaction rivalries, it was an absolute paradise, and today, 50 odd years after you have run your own affairs you have managed to stop all the problems the British caused, like Malaria (or is that not the case that there are 500,000 malarial deaths a year?), Water Shortages (Oh, wait, 600 foot drop in Water table in last 50 years), Religious Intolerance (Damn, still got that) etc.
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I don't wish to interfere in this thread except to state the fact that your knowledge of Indian history is as good as nothing. Disease, malnutrition, inter-faction rivalries, religious intolerance were all started by the East India Company, the French, Portuguese and the muslim invaders in the last 400 years of her history. Try reading up on Vedic Science, Mathematics and philosophy. It's a shame that we ourselves don't give it the respect it deserves, so I don't expect foreigners to do so.
SG Aham Brahmasmi!
