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    Super Lloyd
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    I was happy with my phone which could do phone call. Oh yeah, and SMS. Due to peer pressure I bought one of those fancy phone. More precisely a Windows Phone 7! My main intention with it, apart use it to give phone call and send SMS, was to do some WP7 development testing! :) But then I just had a bad surprise... You need a subscription of US$99 / year to Microsoft to even deploy on your own phone at home! Infuriating practice learnt from Apple no doubt! But now I have a useless phone, it's more expensive than the previous one and I can't even deploy my Silverlight 4 app to it! :mad: Ho well, I guess it's not too much, I'll just wait to have something interesting and develop on the emulator in the meantime... :(( Other than that I have no idea how good or bad it is, it is my 1st fancy phone, but it seems brisk enough, access SMS, email, Facebook, twitter, take nice pictures, internet explorer work well (reading CP with it! :P )

    A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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      I was happy with my phone which could do phone call. Oh yeah, and SMS. Due to peer pressure I bought one of those fancy phone. More precisely a Windows Phone 7! My main intention with it, apart use it to give phone call and send SMS, was to do some WP7 development testing! :) But then I just had a bad surprise... You need a subscription of US$99 / year to Microsoft to even deploy on your own phone at home! Infuriating practice learnt from Apple no doubt! But now I have a useless phone, it's more expensive than the previous one and I can't even deploy my Silverlight 4 app to it! :mad: Ho well, I guess it's not too much, I'll just wait to have something interesting and develop on the emulator in the meantime... :(( Other than that I have no idea how good or bad it is, it is my 1st fancy phone, but it seems brisk enough, access SMS, email, Facebook, twitter, take nice pictures, internet explorer work well (reading CP with it! :P )

      A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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      Anthony Mushrow
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      Wow, things have certainly changed. Back when I got my first Windows Mobile device, you could unlock the 'developer' mode (meaning you can run unsigned apps and other types of stuff) by going onto the Orange website where they had a page in which you could enter your phone number and they would send an update to your phone to unlock it. (The phone was on contract with Orange)

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      • S Super Lloyd

        I was happy with my phone which could do phone call. Oh yeah, and SMS. Due to peer pressure I bought one of those fancy phone. More precisely a Windows Phone 7! My main intention with it, apart use it to give phone call and send SMS, was to do some WP7 development testing! :) But then I just had a bad surprise... You need a subscription of US$99 / year to Microsoft to even deploy on your own phone at home! Infuriating practice learnt from Apple no doubt! But now I have a useless phone, it's more expensive than the previous one and I can't even deploy my Silverlight 4 app to it! :mad: Ho well, I guess it's not too much, I'll just wait to have something interesting and develop on the emulator in the meantime... :(( Other than that I have no idea how good or bad it is, it is my 1st fancy phone, but it seems brisk enough, access SMS, email, Facebook, twitter, take nice pictures, internet explorer work well (reading CP with it! :P )

        A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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        SinghUlarity
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        Look at it this way, IF people do like you Silverlight app. and it takes off you could be rich and the $99 would then seem peanuts to you :-D

        I are n00b.

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        • S Super Lloyd

          I was happy with my phone which could do phone call. Oh yeah, and SMS. Due to peer pressure I bought one of those fancy phone. More precisely a Windows Phone 7! My main intention with it, apart use it to give phone call and send SMS, was to do some WP7 development testing! :) But then I just had a bad surprise... You need a subscription of US$99 / year to Microsoft to even deploy on your own phone at home! Infuriating practice learnt from Apple no doubt! But now I have a useless phone, it's more expensive than the previous one and I can't even deploy my Silverlight 4 app to it! :mad: Ho well, I guess it's not too much, I'll just wait to have something interesting and develop on the emulator in the meantime... :(( Other than that I have no idea how good or bad it is, it is my 1st fancy phone, but it seems brisk enough, access SMS, email, Facebook, twitter, take nice pictures, internet explorer work well (reading CP with it! :P )

          A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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          • S SinghUlarity

            Look at it this way, IF people do like you Silverlight app. and it takes off you could be rich and the $99 would then seem peanuts to you :-D

            I are n00b.

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            R tsumami
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            SinghUlarity... wrote:

            Look at it this way, IF people do like you Silverlight app.

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            • S Super Lloyd

              I was happy with my phone which could do phone call. Oh yeah, and SMS. Due to peer pressure I bought one of those fancy phone. More precisely a Windows Phone 7! My main intention with it, apart use it to give phone call and send SMS, was to do some WP7 development testing! :) But then I just had a bad surprise... You need a subscription of US$99 / year to Microsoft to even deploy on your own phone at home! Infuriating practice learnt from Apple no doubt! But now I have a useless phone, it's more expensive than the previous one and I can't even deploy my Silverlight 4 app to it! :mad: Ho well, I guess it's not too much, I'll just wait to have something interesting and develop on the emulator in the meantime... :(( Other than that I have no idea how good or bad it is, it is my 1st fancy phone, but it seems brisk enough, access SMS, email, Facebook, twitter, take nice pictures, internet explorer work well (reading CP with it! :P )

              A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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              blackjack2150
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              Unlike with Apple, the dev tools and emulator are free. You're paying $99 for the right to publish your app on the marketplace , and not for the right to write code. :) I'm very tempted to buy a WP7 device myself, provided they are reasonably priced.

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              • S Super Lloyd

                I was happy with my phone which could do phone call. Oh yeah, and SMS. Due to peer pressure I bought one of those fancy phone. More precisely a Windows Phone 7! My main intention with it, apart use it to give phone call and send SMS, was to do some WP7 development testing! :) But then I just had a bad surprise... You need a subscription of US$99 / year to Microsoft to even deploy on your own phone at home! Infuriating practice learnt from Apple no doubt! But now I have a useless phone, it's more expensive than the previous one and I can't even deploy my Silverlight 4 app to it! :mad: Ho well, I guess it's not too much, I'll just wait to have something interesting and develop on the emulator in the meantime... :(( Other than that I have no idea how good or bad it is, it is my 1st fancy phone, but it seems brisk enough, access SMS, email, Facebook, twitter, take nice pictures, internet explorer work well (reading CP with it! :P )

                A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                Rod Kemp
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                In VS2010 there is the option of using Windows Phone 7 Emulator OR Windows Phone 7 Device the second option requires you to have Zune software installed but should allow you to deploy to a real device without going through the AppHub Or MS is being a real PITA.

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                • B blackjack2150

                  Unlike with Apple, the dev tools and emulator are free. You're paying $99 for the right to publish your app on the marketplace , and not for the right to write code. :) I'm very tempted to buy a WP7 device myself, provided they are reasonably priced.

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                  Maximilien
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                  The apple dev tools (and emulator) are free. As far as I can see, the upfront cost to developing on both the iDevices and the Phone7 is about the same.

                  Watched code never compiles.

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                    In VS2010 there is the option of using Windows Phone 7 Emulator OR Windows Phone 7 Device the second option requires you to have Zune software installed but should allow you to deploy to a real device without going through the AppHub Or MS is being a real PITA.

                    People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs

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                    Dan Mos
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                    That's what I know too. But, I wouldn't bet my nonthinking head on it :)

                    I used to think.... Finally I realized it's no good.

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                    • S Super Lloyd

                      I was happy with my phone which could do phone call. Oh yeah, and SMS. Due to peer pressure I bought one of those fancy phone. More precisely a Windows Phone 7! My main intention with it, apart use it to give phone call and send SMS, was to do some WP7 development testing! :) But then I just had a bad surprise... You need a subscription of US$99 / year to Microsoft to even deploy on your own phone at home! Infuriating practice learnt from Apple no doubt! But now I have a useless phone, it's more expensive than the previous one and I can't even deploy my Silverlight 4 app to it! :mad: Ho well, I guess it's not too much, I'll just wait to have something interesting and develop on the emulator in the meantime... :(( Other than that I have no idea how good or bad it is, it is my 1st fancy phone, but it seems brisk enough, access SMS, email, Facebook, twitter, take nice pictures, internet explorer work well (reading CP with it! :P )

                      A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                      Super Lloyd wrote:

                      But now I have a useless phone, it's more expensive than the previous one and I can't even deploy my Silverlight 4 app to it!

                      And you did not bother researching this beforehand? :confused:

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                        The apple dev tools (and emulator) are free. As far as I can see, the upfront cost to developing on both the iDevices and the Phone7 is about the same.

                        Watched code never compiles.

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                        Rod Kemp
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                        Unless you don't own a Mac then you need to buy one to get the free dev tools.

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                        • B blackjack2150

                          Unlike with Apple, the dev tools and emulator are free. You're paying $99 for the right to publish your app on the marketplace , and not for the right to write code. :) I'm very tempted to buy a WP7 device myself, provided they are reasonably priced.

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                          rastaVnuce
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                          blackjack2150 wrote:

                          Unlike with Apple, the dev tools and emulator are free.

                          Apple's dev tools and iphone emulator are free as well.

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                            That's what I know too. But, I wouldn't bet my nonthinking head on it :)

                            I used to think.... Finally I realized it's no good.

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                            Rod Kemp
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                            :laugh: Neither would I but it is something that can be tested without cost (hopefully).

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                            • S Super Lloyd

                              I was happy with my phone which could do phone call. Oh yeah, and SMS. Due to peer pressure I bought one of those fancy phone. More precisely a Windows Phone 7! My main intention with it, apart use it to give phone call and send SMS, was to do some WP7 development testing! :) But then I just had a bad surprise... You need a subscription of US$99 / year to Microsoft to even deploy on your own phone at home! Infuriating practice learnt from Apple no doubt! But now I have a useless phone, it's more expensive than the previous one and I can't even deploy my Silverlight 4 app to it! :mad: Ho well, I guess it's not too much, I'll just wait to have something interesting and develop on the emulator in the meantime... :(( Other than that I have no idea how good or bad it is, it is my 1st fancy phone, but it seems brisk enough, access SMS, email, Facebook, twitter, take nice pictures, internet explorer work well (reading CP with it! :P )

                              A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                              Single Step Debugger
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                              Super Lloyd wrote:

                              You need a subscription of US$99 / year to Microsoft to even deploy on your own phone at home! Infuriating practice learnt from Apple no doubt!

                              This sounds reasonable move because it will filter some of the crappy applications from the app store. The problem as I see it is that you are able to deploy app ONLY from the app store. IMO this is a huge mistake…I mean Apple type of mistake! If they start using the same approach for Windows and PC today, I estimate the Windows market share will shrink from 90% to 9% in about two years.

                              The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                                I was happy with my phone which could do phone call. Oh yeah, and SMS. Due to peer pressure I bought one of those fancy phone. More precisely a Windows Phone 7! My main intention with it, apart use it to give phone call and send SMS, was to do some WP7 development testing! :) But then I just had a bad surprise... You need a subscription of US$99 / year to Microsoft to even deploy on your own phone at home! Infuriating practice learnt from Apple no doubt! But now I have a useless phone, it's more expensive than the previous one and I can't even deploy my Silverlight 4 app to it! :mad: Ho well, I guess it's not too much, I'll just wait to have something interesting and develop on the emulator in the meantime... :(( Other than that I have no idea how good or bad it is, it is my 1st fancy phone, but it seems brisk enough, access SMS, email, Facebook, twitter, take nice pictures, internet explorer work well (reading CP with it! :P )

                                A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                                You don't deploy silverlight apps. People browse to the web and if your browser has the right plugin, it just works. You could always just test on your desktop, can't you?

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                                  Super Lloyd wrote:

                                  You need a subscription of US$99 / year to Microsoft to even deploy on your own phone at home! Infuriating practice learnt from Apple no doubt!

                                  This sounds reasonable move because it will filter some of the crappy applications from the app store. The problem as I see it is that you are able to deploy app ONLY from the app store. IMO this is a huge mistake…I mean Apple type of mistake! If they start using the same approach for Windows and PC today, I estimate the Windows market share will shrink from 90% to 9% in about two years.

                                  The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                                  Wjousts
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                                  This is a problem I have with iWhatever devices. I'm developing apps that are internal apps for our business only, they should never find their way outside the company because they are specific for some things we do. About every week I hear some genius saying "hey, we should run this on our iPhone!", but, AFAIK, the only way to get something on the iPhone is through the public app store. Not good for software we want to keep within the company.

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                                    Super Lloyd wrote:

                                    But now I have a useless phone, it's more expensive than the previous one and I can't even deploy my Silverlight 4 app to it!

                                    And you did not bother researching this beforehand? :confused:

                                    "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

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                                    poor Lloyd wrote:

                                    Due to peer pressure

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                                      You don't deploy silverlight apps. People browse to the web and if your browser has the right plugin, it just works. You could always just test on your desktop, can't you?

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                                      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                                      He is talking about Windows Phone 7 Silverlight apps. They need to be developed and deployed on the phone. Contrary to the desktop browser, the mobile browser is Windows Phone 7 does not display the embedded SilverLight content.

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                                        This is a problem I have with iWhatever devices. I'm developing apps that are internal apps for our business only, they should never find their way outside the company because they are specific for some things we do. About every week I hear some genius saying "hey, we should run this on our iPhone!", but, AFAIK, the only way to get something on the iPhone is through the public app store. Not good for software we want to keep within the company.

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                                        It will be absolutely the same with the Windows phones. Our management have asked Microsoft/we are in top 10 of their biggest customers/ about this very problem last week and the answer has been “no”. No private stores, no private rooms in their store no corporate app farms or whatsoever in that extend.

                                        The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                                        • W Wjousts

                                          This is a problem I have with iWhatever devices. I'm developing apps that are internal apps for our business only, they should never find their way outside the company because they are specific for some things we do. About every week I hear some genius saying "hey, we should run this on our iPhone!", but, AFAIK, the only way to get something on the iPhone is through the public app store. Not good for software we want to keep within the company.

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                                          Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                                          Wjousts wrote:

                                          FAIK, the only way to get something on the iPhone is through the public app store. Not good for software we want to keep within the company.

                                          That's not true at all. The Apple's enterprise development program ($250 / 5 devs) allows you to develop and deploy enterprise applications on iPhone without deploying them to the app store.

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