This is my chance, but should i take the risk?
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Hello, i got a really serious decision to make. At the moment i have a job as Management-programmer, im not very happy about this job (due to payment, office, taskmaster). 1. My girlfriend lives far away from me (550 kilometres). 2. I living in my parents house, want to have my own home. 3. It is my dream to be a gamedeveloper. Well, i got a answer from a nice game company not far away from my girlfriend. They said, i have some nice references and i can work as paid trainee for 3-6 month (400€/Month), and depends on my work in this time, i have the chance to get the job as game developer in this company. Now if i think about it, this is really my chance to make my dreams come true and i can visit my girlfriend quite often. 1. But i have to quit my current job for a practical course, so i have less money for at least 3 months. 2. I dont know how to scratch along with 400€/month. 3. If the game company dont want to give me a job after the practical course, i have no job. I really dont know what to do, should i move away from my stable fundament and try to climp up?
Years ago, I was given some of the greatest words of wisdom I've ever come across; don't offer advice. When somebody asks for advice, they are asking for somebody to either validate the choice they have already made or set them up for resentment if they don't pick the choice they have made and potentially set them up as somebody to blame if things don't work out. The best advice you can give somebody is to ask "What do you want to do?" Get them to list out the pros and cons, and to make rational decisions based on their opinions, not some outside party who has no vested interest. Only you can answer this question. Only you know your particular circumstances. I'm sorry, but it's up to you to make the decision. I know what I would do, but my circumstances are different to yours so my choice would have absolutely zero bearing on yours. Good luck whatever you choose.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Years ago, I was given some of the greatest words of wisdom I've ever come across; don't offer advice. When somebody asks for advice, they are asking for somebody to either validate the choice they have already made or set them up for resentment if they don't pick the choice they have made and potentially set them up as somebody to blame if things don't work out. The best advice you can give somebody is to ask "What do you want to do?" Get them to list out the pros and cons, and to make rational decisions based on their opinions, not some outside party who has no vested interest. Only you can answer this question. Only you know your particular circumstances. I'm sorry, but it's up to you to make the decision. I know what I would do, but my circumstances are different to yours so my choice would have absolutely zero bearing on yours. Good luck whatever you choose.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Hello, i got a really serious decision to make. At the moment i have a job as Management-programmer, im not very happy about this job (due to payment, office, taskmaster). 1. My girlfriend lives far away from me (550 kilometres). 2. I living in my parents house, want to have my own home. 3. It is my dream to be a gamedeveloper. Well, i got a answer from a nice game company not far away from my girlfriend. They said, i have some nice references and i can work as paid trainee for 3-6 month (400€/Month), and depends on my work in this time, i have the chance to get the job as game developer in this company. Now if i think about it, this is really my chance to make my dreams come true and i can visit my girlfriend quite often. 1. But i have to quit my current job for a practical course, so i have less money for at least 3 months. 2. I dont know how to scratch along with 400€/month. 3. If the game company dont want to give me a job after the practical course, i have no job. I really dont know what to do, should i move away from my stable fundament and try to climp up?
400€! They're not interested in you as a programmer. They want cheap labour. When your traineetime is over, you'll probably get kicked out and exchanged for the next one. People are standing in a queue to work at game companies. So they have plenty of choice. Remember that you probably won't do any real programming, 95% of the job in the games industry is to create the environments. The question you should answer yourself is: Is this something you want to have in your CV or not? I mean, you're anyway not happy with your current job.
"When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert
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Hello, i got a really serious decision to make. At the moment i have a job as Management-programmer, im not very happy about this job (due to payment, office, taskmaster). 1. My girlfriend lives far away from me (550 kilometres). 2. I living in my parents house, want to have my own home. 3. It is my dream to be a gamedeveloper. Well, i got a answer from a nice game company not far away from my girlfriend. They said, i have some nice references and i can work as paid trainee for 3-6 month (400€/Month), and depends on my work in this time, i have the chance to get the job as game developer in this company. Now if i think about it, this is really my chance to make my dreams come true and i can visit my girlfriend quite often. 1. But i have to quit my current job for a practical course, so i have less money for at least 3 months. 2. I dont know how to scratch along with 400€/month. 3. If the game company dont want to give me a job after the practical course, i have no job. I really dont know what to do, should i move away from my stable fundament and try to climp up?
Before you decide whether to do this or not, you have some other stuff to think about. Why do you want to be a game programmer? How much do you know about being a game programmer? In my younger days I thought being a game programmer was my dream job. While still in college I spent many hours learning about BSP Trees and things of that ilk. The more I looked at the industry the more I realised that the actual part of programming that I enjoyed (the coding) was a tiny part of game development and it could be years (if ever) before I got to do that. The part I hated (faffing about with 3D modeling tools and drawing tools) was the bulk of the work (i.e. Artists), or story development (i.e. Writers) or sound (musicians)...etc, etc. You get the idea. Of course I could have joined some of the small gaming companies that started up here, and I would probably have had greater exposure to the coding side of things, but again, the more I looked at it the more I realised that even those companies were relying to a great extent on third party libraries for most of the interesting stuff. The bottom line is that If I had aplied myself and went looking I *might* have gotten a chance to work on interesting games code but it would have been so seperated from the games that I might as well be writing business aps. Ultimately no matter what the domain you can find opportunities to write interesting code. It's more about you than about the work. BY all means go for this opportunity, have an escape strategy for if it doesn't work out. But before you do anything, have a think about the kind of work you will actually be doing. It may not be what you expect. -Richard
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Hello, i got a really serious decision to make. At the moment i have a job as Management-programmer, im not very happy about this job (due to payment, office, taskmaster). 1. My girlfriend lives far away from me (550 kilometres). 2. I living in my parents house, want to have my own home. 3. It is my dream to be a gamedeveloper. Well, i got a answer from a nice game company not far away from my girlfriend. They said, i have some nice references and i can work as paid trainee for 3-6 month (400€/Month), and depends on my work in this time, i have the chance to get the job as game developer in this company. Now if i think about it, this is really my chance to make my dreams come true and i can visit my girlfriend quite often. 1. But i have to quit my current job for a practical course, so i have less money for at least 3 months. 2. I dont know how to scratch along with 400€/month. 3. If the game company dont want to give me a job after the practical course, i have no job. I really dont know what to do, should i move away from my stable fundament and try to climp up?
I would be nailing them about the time frame, 3 months to evaluate your performance is valid 6 months is taking advantage. Otherwise go for it.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Years ago, I was given some of the greatest words of wisdom I've ever come across; don't offer advice. When somebody asks for advice, they are asking for somebody to either validate the choice they have already made or set them up for resentment if they don't pick the choice they have made and potentially set them up as somebody to blame if things don't work out. The best advice you can give somebody is to ask "What do you want to do?" Get them to list out the pros and cons, and to make rational decisions based on their opinions, not some outside party who has no vested interest. Only you can answer this question. Only you know your particular circumstances. I'm sorry, but it's up to you to make the decision. I know what I would do, but my circumstances are different to yours so my choice would have absolutely zero bearing on yours. Good luck whatever you choose.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Fantastic advice Pete. I'm going to use this and blame you if it goes wrong. ;)
Simon
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Years ago, I was given some of the greatest words of wisdom I've ever come across; don't offer advice. When somebody asks for advice, they are asking for somebody to either validate the choice they have already made or set them up for resentment if they don't pick the choice they have made and potentially set them up as somebody to blame if things don't work out. The best advice you can give somebody is to ask "What do you want to do?" Get them to list out the pros and cons, and to make rational decisions based on their opinions, not some outside party who has no vested interest. Only you can answer this question. Only you know your particular circumstances. I'm sorry, but it's up to you to make the decision. I know what I would do, but my circumstances are different to yours so my choice would have absolutely zero bearing on yours. Good luck whatever you choose.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Mmm, I actually ask advice to seek out another view than mine, possibly it's a point of view I mist. So in this case it would actually make sense to have different circumstances. Granted, the one taking advice should be critical enough to realize that his situation is different than the person giving the advice.
V.
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Hello, i got a really serious decision to make. At the moment i have a job as Management-programmer, im not very happy about this job (due to payment, office, taskmaster). 1. My girlfriend lives far away from me (550 kilometres). 2. I living in my parents house, want to have my own home. 3. It is my dream to be a gamedeveloper. Well, i got a answer from a nice game company not far away from my girlfriend. They said, i have some nice references and i can work as paid trainee for 3-6 month (400€/Month), and depends on my work in this time, i have the chance to get the job as game developer in this company. Now if i think about it, this is really my chance to make my dreams come true and i can visit my girlfriend quite often. 1. But i have to quit my current job for a practical course, so i have less money for at least 3 months. 2. I dont know how to scratch along with 400€/month. 3. If the game company dont want to give me a job after the practical course, i have no job. I really dont know what to do, should i move away from my stable fundament and try to climp up?
Here's the trick to knowing what you really want: 1. Get a coin. 2. Select heads for yes, tails for no. 3. Flip the coin best out of seven. 4. If you're unhappy with what the result tells you to do, do the opposite.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Years ago, I was given some of the greatest words of wisdom I've ever come across; don't offer advice. When somebody asks for advice, they are asking for somebody to either validate the choice they have already made or set them up for resentment if they don't pick the choice they have made and potentially set them up as somebody to blame if things don't work out. The best advice you can give somebody is to ask "What do you want to do?" Get them to list out the pros and cons, and to make rational decisions based on their opinions, not some outside party who has no vested interest. Only you can answer this question. Only you know your particular circumstances. I'm sorry, but it's up to you to make the decision. I know what I would do, but my circumstances are different to yours so my choice would have absolutely zero bearing on yours. Good luck whatever you choose.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Actually, if you venture out to give other people advice, you ought to weigh the pros and cons according to THEIR preconditions - not your own. And let them know what you think would be the wisest for THEM. It's calling putting yourself in someone elses place... What YOU would do in another persons situation with YOUR preconditions has no meaning at all.
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Hello, i got a really serious decision to make. At the moment i have a job as Management-programmer, im not very happy about this job (due to payment, office, taskmaster). 1. My girlfriend lives far away from me (550 kilometres). 2. I living in my parents house, want to have my own home. 3. It is my dream to be a gamedeveloper. Well, i got a answer from a nice game company not far away from my girlfriend. They said, i have some nice references and i can work as paid trainee for 3-6 month (400€/Month), and depends on my work in this time, i have the chance to get the job as game developer in this company. Now if i think about it, this is really my chance to make my dreams come true and i can visit my girlfriend quite often. 1. But i have to quit my current job for a practical course, so i have less money for at least 3 months. 2. I dont know how to scratch along with 400€/month. 3. If the game company dont want to give me a job after the practical course, i have no job. I really dont know what to do, should i move away from my stable fundament and try to climp up?
EA Spouse[^]. That has caused quite an uproar 6 years ago, but judging by the conditions you mention, things haven't changed much since then.
Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
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Years ago, I was given some of the greatest words of wisdom I've ever come across; don't offer advice. When somebody asks for advice, they are asking for somebody to either validate the choice they have already made or set them up for resentment if they don't pick the choice they have made and potentially set them up as somebody to blame if things don't work out. The best advice you can give somebody is to ask "What do you want to do?" Get them to list out the pros and cons, and to make rational decisions based on their opinions, not some outside party who has no vested interest. Only you can answer this question. Only you know your particular circumstances. I'm sorry, but it's up to you to make the decision. I know what I would do, but my circumstances are different to yours so my choice would have absolutely zero bearing on yours. Good luck whatever you choose.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
I've always said for that "throw a coin - no matter what side comes up, that very moment you know what you want." Still, in the sense "what other aspects you should consider", advice makes sense. [edit]more than the previous sentence, I hope.
Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
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Hello, i got a really serious decision to make. At the moment i have a job as Management-programmer, im not very happy about this job (due to payment, office, taskmaster). 1. My girlfriend lives far away from me (550 kilometres). 2. I living in my parents house, want to have my own home. 3. It is my dream to be a gamedeveloper. Well, i got a answer from a nice game company not far away from my girlfriend. They said, i have some nice references and i can work as paid trainee for 3-6 month (400€/Month), and depends on my work in this time, i have the chance to get the job as game developer in this company. Now if i think about it, this is really my chance to make my dreams come true and i can visit my girlfriend quite often. 1. But i have to quit my current job for a practical course, so i have less money for at least 3 months. 2. I dont know how to scratch along with 400€/month. 3. If the game company dont want to give me a job after the practical course, i have no job. I really dont know what to do, should i move away from my stable fundament and try to climp up?
Further to what Pete O'Hanlon said, I can't tell you what to do and you should take any advice as just that, because everyone's particular situation is different than everyone else's. However, here is what I would do to make a decision: First, list all the pros and cons, which you've got a good start on. Play devil's advocate and think of all the really bad and good ones. Sleep on it and review a few times, so that you don't fall into the trap of deluding yourself. Contact the company and find out if there is any negotiating possible. If not, then maybe they don't really need anyone. If so, be candid and tell them you have a problem with moving and living for such a paltry salary and see what they say. Figure out if there is any way to defray some costs or earn some extra money in the short term to live. Can you rent a small room instead of a flat? Can you moonlight doing other software? You decide if there are additional possibilities. Review your longer term plan. You do have one, I hope! If not, write down a list of objectives you want to accomplish in the next 5, 10, 20, etc years. For each of those, write down what you need to do to get there and then plan what you do to survive and move towards your goals at the same time. Review periodically and change as your desires and progress changes. See how this opportunity fits into your plans. Make a backup plan. Consider the worst case: You don't continue or discover you really hate doing that job everyday, or the company is a terrible place to work. What will you do? What will you have added to your resume? Be objective and make sure you have a backup plan, just in case. Once you've done that, evaluate everything, think it over, sleep on it and the decision will likely be fairly straight forward. The trick is getting all the information, evaluating it objectively, and making sure you aren't deluding yourself in the process.
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