Food for thought
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There's an article in the Times about slaughtering your own Thanksgiving turkey[^]. It addresses the issue of our disassociation from the realities of our food. Don't get me wrong - I eat meat and I have in the past hunted and eaten what I killed. I'm no vegan. That's why I liked this article. I've always thought people who eat meat but rip on hunters were the ultimate hypocrites. I think more people should have a hands-on experience with harvesting their own food; it cuts out a lot of pretentious BS and forces people to have a much more genuine appreciation of life in general. So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
I've mercilessly slaughtered my own tofu-- No, I can't even finish that joke... Tofu is nasty, and vegetarians creep me out... Meat = Good. Hunting = Good. "Hunting" with Dick Cheney = Bad. (There's a joke that'll never get old)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
I've mercilessly slaughtered my own tofu-- No, I can't even finish that joke... Tofu is nasty, and vegetarians creep me out... Meat = Good. Hunting = Good. "Hunting" with Dick Cheney = Bad. (There's a joke that'll never get old)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
I've mercilessly slaughtered my own tofu-- No, I can't even finish that joke... Tofu is nasty, and vegetarians creep me out... Meat = Good. Hunting = Good. "Hunting" with Dick Cheney = Bad. (There's a joke that'll never get old)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
If I remember correctly, Everyone on the planet that did not leave on the B-Ark died from a horrible disease contracted from dirty telephones. I'm not which is worse - that we are decendants of B-Arkers or Battlestar Gallacticans.
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There's an article in the Times about slaughtering your own Thanksgiving turkey[^]. It addresses the issue of our disassociation from the realities of our food. Don't get me wrong - I eat meat and I have in the past hunted and eaten what I killed. I'm no vegan. That's why I liked this article. I've always thought people who eat meat but rip on hunters were the ultimate hypocrites. I think more people should have a hands-on experience with harvesting their own food; it cuts out a lot of pretentious BS and forces people to have a much more genuine appreciation of life in general. So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
I don’t like the idea of killing my own food or killing animals in general. If I’m forced from the circumstances I’ll start doing it without any regret, but until then I hardly prefer to avoid killing anything that have a pulse and throws a shadow. And I think that weapons are to be used in the shooting ranges not in the forests/excepts for a self-defense/.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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I don’t like the idea of killing my own food or killing animals in general. If I’m forced from the circumstances I’ll start doing it without any regret, but until then I hardly prefer to avoid killing anything that have a pulse and throws a shadow. And I think that weapons are to be used in the shooting ranges not in the forests/excepts for a self-defense/.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
I don’t like the idea of killing my own food or killing animals in general. If I’m forced from the circumstances I’ll start doing it without any regret, but until then I hardly prefer to avoid killing anything that have a pulse and throws a shadow.
But that's just the sort of disassociation the article speaks to. You're still morally responsible for the death of the animal if you're eating the meat. The argument is that by restricting our interaction with our food to the purchase of a celophane-wrapped package at the store, we've become inured to the moral implications. To paraphrase the author, I'm not saying everyone should have to slaughter every animal they consume, but having the experience, even once, might very well raise people's consciousness, if you will, as to the moral significance of consuming meat. And it's not necessarily a bad thing. A little more exposure to the real world might be useful for city dwellers who never see a farm.
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
And I think that weapons are to be used in the shooting ranges not in the forests/excepts for a self-defense/.
Uhhh... have you ever tried to hunt and kill something the size of a deer by hand? I toyed with the idea of bow hunting while I was in Wyoming, but never followed through. It did seem a bit more sporting. :sigh:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
I don’t like the idea of killing my own food or killing animals in general. If I’m forced from the circumstances I’ll start doing it without any regret, but until then I hardly prefer to avoid killing anything that have a pulse and throws a shadow.
But that's just the sort of disassociation the article speaks to. You're still morally responsible for the death of the animal if you're eating the meat. The argument is that by restricting our interaction with our food to the purchase of a celophane-wrapped package at the store, we've become inured to the moral implications. To paraphrase the author, I'm not saying everyone should have to slaughter every animal they consume, but having the experience, even once, might very well raise people's consciousness, if you will, as to the moral significance of consuming meat. And it's not necessarily a bad thing. A little more exposure to the real world might be useful for city dwellers who never see a farm.
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
And I think that weapons are to be used in the shooting ranges not in the forests/excepts for a self-defense/.
Uhhh... have you ever tried to hunt and kill something the size of a deer by hand? I toyed with the idea of bow hunting while I was in Wyoming, but never followed through. It did seem a bit more sporting. :sigh:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
But that's just the sort of disassociation the article speaks to. You're still morally responsible for the death of the animal if you're eating the meat. The argument is that by restricting our interaction with our food to the purchase of a celophane-wrapped package at the store, we've become inured to the moral implications. To paraphrase the author, I'm not saying everyone should have to slaughter every animal they consume, but having the experience, even once, might very well raise people's consciousness, if you will, as to the moral significance of consuming meat. And it's not necessarily a bad thing. A little more exposure to the real world might be useful for city dwellers who never see a farm.
I think I didn’t make myself clear enough. I don’t have any moral issues with killing animals for food, I just don’t like to do it myself – this could ruin my appetite for a while; especially if the harvesting tool is a knife or axe, not a gun. But again, if I became farmer or something in the future I could start doing it and will get used with it. No moral dilemmas, just aesthetics issues.
LunaticFringe wrote:
I toyed with the idea of bow hunting while I was in Wyoming, but never followed through. It did seem a bit more sporting.
I’m fascinated with the crossbows; in fact I’m very close to the idea of buying one together with a suitable optic. It’s a nice looking weapon and for middle distances is more powerful and accurate than a shotgun.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
But that's just the sort of disassociation the article speaks to. You're still morally responsible for the death of the animal if you're eating the meat. The argument is that by restricting our interaction with our food to the purchase of a celophane-wrapped package at the store, we've become inured to the moral implications. To paraphrase the author, I'm not saying everyone should have to slaughter every animal they consume, but having the experience, even once, might very well raise people's consciousness, if you will, as to the moral significance of consuming meat. And it's not necessarily a bad thing. A little more exposure to the real world might be useful for city dwellers who never see a farm.
I think I didn’t make myself clear enough. I don’t have any moral issues with killing animals for food, I just don’t like to do it myself – this could ruin my appetite for a while; especially if the harvesting tool is a knife or axe, not a gun. But again, if I became farmer or something in the future I could start doing it and will get used with it. No moral dilemmas, just aesthetics issues.
LunaticFringe wrote:
I toyed with the idea of bow hunting while I was in Wyoming, but never followed through. It did seem a bit more sporting.
I’m fascinated with the crossbows; in fact I’m very close to the idea of buying one together with a suitable optic. It’s a nice looking weapon and for middle distances is more powerful and accurate than a shotgun.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
I think I didn’t make myself clear enough.
Yeah, I guess I misunderstood. It was a little puzzling, the way I'd read it. IIRC, it's illegal to hunt with a crossbow in most states here. Regular bows are ok (different season than hunting with a gun), but crossbows are out.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
I don’t like the idea of killing my own food or killing animals in general. If I’m forced from the circumstances I’ll start doing it without any regret, but until then I hardly prefer to avoid killing anything that have a pulse and throws a shadow.
But that's just the sort of disassociation the article speaks to. You're still morally responsible for the death of the animal if you're eating the meat. The argument is that by restricting our interaction with our food to the purchase of a celophane-wrapped package at the store, we've become inured to the moral implications. To paraphrase the author, I'm not saying everyone should have to slaughter every animal they consume, but having the experience, even once, might very well raise people's consciousness, if you will, as to the moral significance of consuming meat. And it's not necessarily a bad thing. A little more exposure to the real world might be useful for city dwellers who never see a farm.
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
And I think that weapons are to be used in the shooting ranges not in the forests/excepts for a self-defense/.
Uhhh... have you ever tried to hunt and kill something the size of a deer by hand? I toyed with the idea of bow hunting while I was in Wyoming, but never followed through. It did seem a bit more sporting. :sigh:
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
I toyed with the idea of bow hunting while I was in Wyoming, but never followed through. It did seem a bit more sporting.
Don't, it's just potential animal cruelty. Due to the slow speed of the arrows and the lousy precision you have an effective range of twentyfive yards and no second shot if you make a bad shot. Get one of these[^] instead.
"When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert
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LunaticFringe wrote:
I toyed with the idea of bow hunting while I was in Wyoming, but never followed through. It did seem a bit more sporting.
Don't, it's just potential animal cruelty. Due to the slow speed of the arrows and the lousy precision you have an effective range of twentyfive yards and no second shot if you make a bad shot. Get one of these[^] instead.
"When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert
The government won't permit you to even be near that. You are lucky your government masters even let you view pictures of it.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
I toyed with the idea of bow hunting while I was in Wyoming, but never followed through. It did seem a bit more sporting.
Don't, it's just potential animal cruelty. Due to the slow speed of the arrows and the lousy precision you have an effective range of twentyfive yards and no second shot if you make a bad shot. Get one of these[^] instead.
"When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert
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There's an article in the Times about slaughtering your own Thanksgiving turkey[^]. It addresses the issue of our disassociation from the realities of our food. Don't get me wrong - I eat meat and I have in the past hunted and eaten what I killed. I'm no vegan. That's why I liked this article. I've always thought people who eat meat but rip on hunters were the ultimate hypocrites. I think more people should have a hands-on experience with harvesting their own food; it cuts out a lot of pretentious BS and forces people to have a much more genuine appreciation of life in general. So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Ah, the New York Times not The Times. Admittedly imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, ;)
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
Trollslayer wrote:
Ah, the New York Times not The Times. Admittedly imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
;) When they've sold their editorial soul to Voldemort (sorry; Murdoch), then they'll be truly walking in the footsteps of their predecessors. ;P
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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There's an article in the Times about slaughtering your own Thanksgiving turkey[^]. It addresses the issue of our disassociation from the realities of our food. Don't get me wrong - I eat meat and I have in the past hunted and eaten what I killed. I'm no vegan. That's why I liked this article. I've always thought people who eat meat but rip on hunters were the ultimate hypocrites. I think more people should have a hands-on experience with harvesting their own food; it cuts out a lot of pretentious BS and forces people to have a much more genuine appreciation of life in general. So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?
Haven't done anything explicitly so for Thanksgiving, but for other occasions and with a diverse set of animals ranging from snakes to pigs. Both my grandmas were experts to dispatch chickens: quick neck twist, seemed pretty fast and merciful on the unfortunate - but delicious - birds. Then there was my grandparents 50th anniversary where a pig was committed, me and my brother & cousins tended to the prep out the pig days before the butcher showed up to do its deed... knife to the heart - that was kind of messy but once the thing was roasted we had already forgotten the early morning scene at the pig pen. And then there were the frequent family gatherings at the ranch where goats, deer, pigs, chickens and turkeys saw their end of days. Bottom line to our nature: we must kill to keep alive, regardless of choice in diet. Vegans kill plants, the things just don't scream, bleed red and are not capable to make a run for it. Blessed be thy bacon :-\ -- RP
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There's an article in the Times about slaughtering your own Thanksgiving turkey[^]. It addresses the issue of our disassociation from the realities of our food. Don't get me wrong - I eat meat and I have in the past hunted and eaten what I killed. I'm no vegan. That's why I liked this article. I've always thought people who eat meat but rip on hunters were the ultimate hypocrites. I think more people should have a hands-on experience with harvesting their own food; it cuts out a lot of pretentious BS and forces people to have a much more genuine appreciation of life in general. So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?
I've never killed a Christmas Turkey (the closest we'd get in the UK). I have killed and eaten fish of various kinds, and gutted a duck someone shot and gave to me. Where I'm living now it's common to chose a live chicken which they slaughter and clean for you. You also see butchers out in the sticks with [live] sheep parked outside, while one of their erstwhile flockmates are being skinned, having just been slaughted. This is one of the few ways of ensuring the meat remains fresh where the power supply for the fridges isn't reliable and daytime is at ideal bacteria growing temperature. We've just passed Eid here when sheep are slaughtered and distributed to the poor as a form of charity. There were markets all over where you could buy sheep and they'd slaughter them for you, you just had to take away the carcass ( the whole carcass, skin'n'all). Not for the squeemish, but it is the reality of where meat comes from.
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There's an article in the Times about slaughtering your own Thanksgiving turkey[^]. It addresses the issue of our disassociation from the realities of our food. Don't get me wrong - I eat meat and I have in the past hunted and eaten what I killed. I'm no vegan. That's why I liked this article. I've always thought people who eat meat but rip on hunters were the ultimate hypocrites. I think more people should have a hands-on experience with harvesting their own food; it cuts out a lot of pretentious BS and forces people to have a much more genuine appreciation of life in general. So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
Thanksgiving bird no, but I'v killed rabbits / pigs / cows / chickens (or is that a thanksgiving bird?). I grew up on a farm so you see / do a lot of this kind of stuff there.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?
Haven't done anything explicitly so for Thanksgiving, but for other occasions and with a diverse set of animals ranging from snakes to pigs. Both my grandmas were experts to dispatch chickens: quick neck twist, seemed pretty fast and merciful on the unfortunate - but delicious - birds. Then there was my grandparents 50th anniversary where a pig was committed, me and my brother & cousins tended to the prep out the pig days before the butcher showed up to do its deed... knife to the heart - that was kind of messy but once the thing was roasted we had already forgotten the early morning scene at the pig pen. And then there were the frequent family gatherings at the ranch where goats, deer, pigs, chickens and turkeys saw their end of days. Bottom line to our nature: we must kill to keep alive, regardless of choice in diet. Vegans kill plants, the things just don't scream, bleed red and are not capable to make a run for it. Blessed be thy bacon :-\ -- RP
RogelioP / EX DE,HL wrote:
Vegans kill plants, the things just don't scream, bleed red and are not capable to make a run for it.
:laugh: :thumbsup:
RogelioP / EX DE,HL wrote:
Blessed be thy bacon
Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Piggy Sancto. :-D
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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RogelioP / EX DE,HL wrote:
Vegans kill plants, the things just don't scream, bleed red and are not capable to make a run for it.
:laugh: :thumbsup:
RogelioP / EX DE,HL wrote:
Blessed be thy bacon
Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Piggy Sancto. :-D
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Piggy Sancto.
sicut erat in lardio, et Porc, et perna amen :)
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There's an article in the Times about slaughtering your own Thanksgiving turkey[^]. It addresses the issue of our disassociation from the realities of our food. Don't get me wrong - I eat meat and I have in the past hunted and eaten what I killed. I'm no vegan. That's why I liked this article. I've always thought people who eat meat but rip on hunters were the ultimate hypocrites. I think more people should have a hands-on experience with harvesting their own food; it cuts out a lot of pretentious BS and forces people to have a much more genuine appreciation of life in general. So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
I don't like turkey that well so I choose beef or ham. I've helped raise, both and pigs are mean and nasty animals. Cows not so much.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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I don't like turkey that well so I choose beef or ham. I've helped raise, both and pigs are mean and nasty animals. Cows not so much.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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LunaticFringe wrote:
So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?
I've never killed a Christmas Turkey (the closest we'd get in the UK). I have killed and eaten fish of various kinds, and gutted a duck someone shot and gave to me. Where I'm living now it's common to chose a live chicken which they slaughter and clean for you. You also see butchers out in the sticks with [live] sheep parked outside, while one of their erstwhile flockmates are being skinned, having just been slaughted. This is one of the few ways of ensuring the meat remains fresh where the power supply for the fridges isn't reliable and daytime is at ideal bacteria growing temperature. We've just passed Eid here when sheep are slaughtered and distributed to the poor as a form of charity. There were markets all over where you could buy sheep and they'd slaughter them for you, you just had to take away the carcass ( the whole carcass, skin'n'all). Not for the squeemish, but it is the reality of where meat comes from.