So, Windows Phone 7 requires Windows 7/Vista...
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Yeah, I received a code project offer today about WP7 development. I thought to myself: "Yaayyy!! Let's get cracking" :rolleyes: Then I went to download the SDK just to realize it supports only Windows 7 and Vista. :omg: It completely turned me down. Now I ask you folks, while most other major competitors (except IPhone) allow Windows XP or even older OSes, don't you guys think that this is a shot on the foot? Given that MS have been strugling to get in the mobile market with relevance, I think the worse thing to do would be constraining stuff like this. :doh: Are they trying to sell Windows 7? I would like to beleive they are not. The fact is that MS just lost a contributor.
When Microsoft announced last year that they were discontinuing support for XP, I guess they meant it. I have friends who are clinging desperately to XP like a guy who refuses to replace his beat up Gremlin with a newer car. What it's about is evolution...like biology, tech and software evolve as well. It would require a massive amount of overhead to maintain support for XP as well as Vista and Windows 7. Every piece of software would have to be customized for 3 OS's. However lame that may seem to XP users, it makes good business sense in the long run.
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When Microsoft announced last year that they were discontinuing support for XP, I guess they meant it. I have friends who are clinging desperately to XP like a guy who refuses to replace his beat up Gremlin with a newer car. What it's about is evolution...like biology, tech and software evolve as well. It would require a massive amount of overhead to maintain support for XP as well as Vista and Windows 7. Every piece of software would have to be customized for 3 OS's. However lame that may seem to XP users, it makes good business sense in the long run.
This was one of the better arguments against supporting XP I've seen so far. And yes, this might make sense on the long run but in the short term as MS struggle to get relevance on mobile market, I'd say let the Desktop OS team worry about that, not the mobile one, I think that after many failed attempts to build up its market share on the mobile market, that doesn't really sound too smart. However, I don't have numbers to support my opinion, so I don't really know the impact of excluding XP as dev environment in WP7 app availability. I also don't know the amount of impact the app availabilty plays on the market.
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Well XP is an 8 year old OS and is certainly not suited for writing code targeted at a modern day mobile device. I wouldn't blame them for not supporting XP.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
XP is an 8 year old OS and is certainly not suited for writing code targeted at a modern day mobile device.
How so? You can write code for anything on any operating system, because the OS has got absolutely bugger all to do with writing code. I work in Windows (XP or Weven) with C and Java code that will be run on Solaris and Linux machines. Going by some of the comments in this thread, code for Weven Phone should be written exclusively on the phones themselves! If MS can't provide an SDK that can be used by developers without the expense of buying new hardware or operating systems, then they don't deserve the effort those developers would put into writing the apps that will sell their phones for them. It's like games consoles: If devs don't write stuff to run on them, they won't sell.
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When Microsoft announced last year that they were discontinuing support for XP, I guess they meant it. I have friends who are clinging desperately to XP like a guy who refuses to replace his beat up Gremlin with a newer car. What it's about is evolution...like biology, tech and software evolve as well. It would require a massive amount of overhead to maintain support for XP as well as Vista and Windows 7. Every piece of software would have to be customized for 3 OS's. However lame that may seem to XP users, it makes good business sense in the long run.
brainflex wrote:
it makes good business sense in the long run
Sure, but in the short run, developers who could have been writing apps for the weven phone will instead be writing them for Android or the iphone.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yeah, I received a code project offer today about WP7 development. I thought to myself: "Yaayyy!! Let's get cracking" :rolleyes: Then I went to download the SDK just to realize it supports only Windows 7 and Vista. :omg: It completely turned me down. Now I ask you folks, while most other major competitors (except IPhone) allow Windows XP or even older OSes, don't you guys think that this is a shot on the foot? Given that MS have been strugling to get in the mobile market with relevance, I think the worse thing to do would be constraining stuff like this. :doh: Are they trying to sell Windows 7? I would like to beleive they are not. The fact is that MS just lost a contributor.
The main reason is that the Development tools need Vista/7. VS2010 needs these newer OSes. They are not trying to force Windows 7 on users, the tools take advantage of parts of the OS that XP simply does not have.
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The main reason is that the Development tools need Vista/7. VS2010 needs these newer OSes. They are not trying to force Windows 7 on users, the tools take advantage of parts of the OS that XP simply does not have.
Adam Benoit wrote:
The main reason is that the Development tools need Vista/7. VS2010 needs these newer OSes
You're wrong, I have VS 2010 on XP and use it with no problems at al.
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Adam Benoit wrote:
The main reason is that the Development tools need Vista/7. VS2010 needs these newer OSes
You're wrong, I have VS 2010 on XP and use it with no problems at al.
But can you create Windows Phone 7 Apps? I'm guessing not because the Windows Phone Emulator requires Vista or 7 as per http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff626524%28v=VS.92%29.aspx[^] Operating system Windows 7 32-bit, Windows 7 64-bit, Windows Vista 32-bit, Windows Vista 64-bit. Note: Windows XP, Windows Server, Virtual PC, and Hyper-V are not supported. I Probably should have been more specific.
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But can you create Windows Phone 7 Apps? I'm guessing not because the Windows Phone Emulator requires Vista or 7 as per http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff626524%28v=VS.92%29.aspx[^] Operating system Windows 7 32-bit, Windows 7 64-bit, Windows Vista 32-bit, Windows Vista 64-bit. Note: Windows XP, Windows Server, Virtual PC, and Hyper-V are not supported. I Probably should have been more specific.
Exatly, but I beleive it's not because of OS limitation as VS 2010 runs on XP (and the emulator on VS2010). It's just they aren't supporting the emulator on XP. That's exactly the problem
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EXACTLY!
Go take a look at this link: How to install the Windows Phone Developer Tools on Windows Server 2008. You should be able to figure out how to install the SDK on WinXP from it.
Phil
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Go take a look at this link: How to install the Windows Phone Developer Tools on Windows Server 2008. You should be able to figure out how to install the SDK on WinXP from it.
Phil
Thanks!! But this: "The Windows Phone Developer Tools are not officially supported on operating systems other than Windows Vista or Windows 7. In between the CTP and the CTP Refresh, a block was added to setup to prevent installing on Windows Server 2008 to help enforce this support limitation." is what I'm talking about. It boggles my mind. Yeah, I know they are not supporting it, therefore not allowing to install. But they don't need this. Add a few lines on License Agreement and MS is off the hook.
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Yes, just opening the apps is no problem - the problems happens when you start using the apps (i.e. editing reasonable size scenes and images)
you want me to believe that running these on xp is better?
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