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    Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury wrote:

    most of us have a degree in computer science

    Nope.

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    Henry Minute
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    As a fellow consumer of yoghurt, are you enjoying the current price war?

    Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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      As a fellow consumer of yoghurt, are you enjoying the current price war?

      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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      Pete OHanlon
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      I make my own yoghurt (and no, that's not a euphemism).

      I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be

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      • P Pete OHanlon

        I make my own yoghurt (and no, that's not a euphemism).

        I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be

        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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        Henry Minute
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        I make my own cheese. And that is! :-D

        Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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        • R Roger Wright

          Any problems with steel bedframes? Metal office supply cabinets? ;)

          Will Rogers never met me.

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          Jim Crafton
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          that's getting awful personal Roger, careful or the claws might come out.

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            I make my own cheese. And that is! :-D

            Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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            Pete OHanlon
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            Seriously, you should try making your own yoghurt. It's great because you can try out your own variations.

            I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be

            Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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            • L Lost User

              Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury wrote:

              most of us have a degree in computer science

              Nope.

              Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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              DABBee
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              I'd be surprised if more than 10 % of us did. Anyhoo, a programmer is the dude who slugs in the machine code to say a shift register, or a plastics injection moulder line - a developer designs applications and may also do the programming for same. I do both, but work in house for a reasonably well sized corporation. (So if I fuck up it is pretty obvious who's fault it is) ((so I don't))

              Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them along with this slice of humble pie, that comes direct from the oven of shame, set at gas mark 'egg on your face'.

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              • P Pete OHanlon

                Seriously, you should try making your own yoghurt. It's great because you can try out your own variations.

                I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be

                Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                Henry Minute
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                I used to back when I was first married (true). Unfortunately, at the divorce, the custardy battle that ensued was no trifle, I couldn't bear to see the look of Delight on the face of my once Angel.

                Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                • H Henry Minute

                  I used to back when I was first married (true). Unfortunately, at the divorce, the custardy battle that ensued was no trifle, I couldn't bear to see the look of Delight on the face of my once Angel.

                  Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                  Pete OHanlon
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                  Did she take you for hundreds and thousands?

                  I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be

                  Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                    Did she take you for hundreds and thousands?

                    I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be

                    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                    Henry Minute
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                    Oh yes! She instantly whipped them away.

                    Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                    • H Henry Minute

                      Oh yes! She instantly whipped them away.

                      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                      Pete OHanlon
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                      And there was me thinking you were a smoothie.

                      I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be

                      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        And there was me thinking you were a smoothie.

                        I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be

                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                        Henry Minute
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                        :-O Well it has been said that I do have a certain je ne sais fromage. :-\

                        Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                        • J Jim Crafton

                          that's getting awful personal Roger, careful or the claws might come out.

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                          Pete OHanlon
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                          It's when the claws go in that's the problem.

                          I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be

                          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                          • H Henry Minute

                            As a fellow consumer of yoghurt, are you enjoying the current price war?

                            Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                            Lost User
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                            Rachel's Organic (rhubarb and gooseberry are my favourites) and Yeo Valley - hmm....

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                              Rachel's Organic (rhubarb and gooseberry are my favourites) and Yeo Valley - hmm....

                              Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                              Henry Minute
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                              I've seen the Rachel's but not tried them. I used to buy Yeo Valley (is that the Passion Fruity one you mentioned?) but I've switched to Corners recently. Tesco and t'Co-op have been having a price war on them recently Tesco: 2 x 6-pack - £5.50 Co-op: 1 x 6-pack - £2.00 and today in Tesco 3 x 6-pack £3.29. (Buy one get two free offer.)

                              Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                              • P Pete OHanlon

                                Not necessarily. Chutzpah, gall and sheer bloody minded cheek could count for a lot too.

                                I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be

                                Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                                Gary R Wheeler
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                                I charge an extra 25$/hr for cheek.

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                                • R Roger Wright

                                  Since I'm neither, I can give you an unbiased answer. A Developer does far more than just program. What your company gives you for a title means little, but if you have to analyze the problem, determine the requirements, allocate tasks among modules or between hardware and software, create the test plan, prepare the user documentation, meet with customers to discuss the project and the requirements, then you're a developer, whether you type code or not. If you receive a set of specs or requirements, have little influence over them, but are expected to deliver a piece of software that meets them, you're a programmer. As one who has done all of these in the past, and hired many others to do the same since, I think quite a lot of people in this profession are both developers and programmers, with different roles becoming dominant depending on the tasks assigned.

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                                  Mike Winiberg
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                                  Hmm, a fair summary - I think! 8)

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                                  • S Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury Galib

                                    We have often used those terms, most of us have a degree in computer science, so whats makes the difference? Is that the working domain, expertise, passion?

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                                    Stefan_Lang
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                                    In the various companies I've worked for, every one seems to use terms like these in a different way. In the first I was a 'consulting engineer', but that was mostly due to the fact I was working based on a kind of consultant contract and for tax reasons I couldn't have anything like 'software' in my title. In the second company people generally started off as 'software engineers', and would become 'system engineers' and then 'senior system engineers' after a time (provided they did show progress). Next company had none of these titles; programmers were just that, plus we had a 'head programmer', who was named that because he was basically leading the (rather small) department, not because he was so great at programming (he wasn't). Oh and we had a 'system architect' (me) - a term I know suspect they've picked up in one of those manager magazines and considered it a cool buzzword. From my experience I can tell nobody at that company ever understood what a system architect did. Instead they kept asking me to doing project leader tasks :doh: (which, I have to admit, I'm not that good at) Next company had a different take - they called everyone 'programmer', because they didn't want to make anyone feel to be 'set back' compared to the others. I still felt set back compared to people working at other companies though so I suppose that concept didn't quite work... Now I work in a two-person department in a manufacturing company, developing CAM software. So my title is CAM Software developer. Oh well, I suppose that's at least accurate...

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                                    • S Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury Galib

                                      developer and programmer both are engineers :laugh:

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                                      JeremyBob
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                                      I'll disagree to that too, I always thought it was a bit of a cheek calling ourselves software engineers. I always felt an engineer generally need to get things right the first time, where as software developers/programmers almost always have to compile or build there code to see what silly mistakes they have made.

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                                      • P Pete OHanlon

                                        Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury wrote:

                                        most of us have a degree in computer science

                                        I suspect you'll find most here don't. I don't.

                                        Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury wrote:

                                        whats makes the difference

                                        Sex appeal. Raw animal magnetism. Amazing prowess in the undercracker department.

                                        I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be

                                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                                        Caslen
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                                        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                        Sex appeal. Raw animal magnetism. Amazing prowess in the undercracker department.

                                        You missed 'vivid imagination' :)

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                                        • S Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury Galib

                                          We have often used those terms, most of us have a degree in computer science, so whats makes the difference? Is that the working domain, expertise, passion?

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                                          peterchen
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                                          programmers turn specs into code, developers turn requirements into products.

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