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David Wulff wrote: Am I the only one who (despite seeing the irony of the resulting situation) thinks that what was said was way out of line? It's probably obvious given the lack of things like freedom of speech in these countries, as they are held to ransom by fanatics, there was going to be this sort of a reaction. I dunno if Mohommed preached celibacy, or was celibate, but assuming he was not, I don't see it as being offensive. I don't see how a celibate could invent a religion where people who die killing the infidel get some number of virgins to themself in the afterlife. Or maybe he thought that way BECAUSE he was celibate. David Wulff wrote: Deliberate ignorance of other peoples values causes these horrible incidents to happen all over the world, with people of all races, ages and religions; it's just more fashionable to broadcast ones involving Muslims at the moment. I have no recollection of any other religion ever being a focal point for this sort of behaviour. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: dunno if Mohommed preached celibacy, or was celibate, but assuming he was not, I don't see it as being offensive. Muhammed had about 12 wives, one of which was approximately 9 years old. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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Rye, huh? Hmmmmm....... :cool: BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Christian Graus wrote: He has nothing to do with Catholicism :laugh: "An unbeliever! Burn the heretic! Persecute! Kill!" Neither the Catholics or the Protestants accept resposibility for what the "common followers" do in Northern Ireland, so why should the Muslims take the blame for what a bunch of morons decide to do in their name? Personally, I find institutionalized persecution much scarier and more distasteful than what individuals or groups choose to do "because (God/Jehova/Allah/Buddah/Hare Krishna/Bill Gates) told (me/us) to". If a bunch of skinheads are beating you up, at least you can think, "I hope some policemen come along". When the police are beating you up, you don't tend to think, "Oh, I hope some skinheads come along". :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard_D wrote: because (God/Jehova/Allah/Buddah/Hare Krishna/Bill Gates) told (me/us) to The little pixies tell me to burn things....:laugh::laugh:
We brought out this new and very similar version of our expensive software because the old version was......old....It's a good enough excuse for Microsoft so its fine for us.
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Richard_D wrote: Burning old women at the stake for "being a bit witchy"? Actually burning was very rare. They were usually drowned. FYI they have pretty much proven that these witchs were people on LSD trips. It has been discovered that an LSD strain naturally occurs in a rye fungus when damp conditions prevail. rye bread was a staple and periods when witch hunts occured were during documented damp rainy periods. At least I find it interesting. Richard_D wrote: Institutionalized torturing and killing of innocent people for refusing to bow down and worship the Pope? Not just the Pope. This occurs in many (most?) fuedal states. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: It has been discovered that an LSD strain naturally occurs in a rye fungus when damp conditions prevail. I believe this is the original source of LSD. It's produced by a mold/fungus on rye called ergot. -Sean ---- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein. I saw a woman wearing a sweatshirt with 'Guess' on it. I said, "Thyroid problem?" -- Emo Philips. Love is two minutes, 52 seconds of squishing noises. -- Johnny Rotten.
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: It has been discovered that an LSD strain naturally occurs in a rye fungus when damp conditions prevail. I believe this is the original source of LSD. It's produced by a mold/fungus on rye called ergot. -Sean ---- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein. I saw a woman wearing a sweatshirt with 'Guess' on it. I said, "Thyroid problem?" -- Emo Philips. Love is two minutes, 52 seconds of squishing noises. -- Johnny Rotten.
Sean Cundiff wrote: I believe this is the original source of LSD. in my town, it was a guy called Jimmy. but you could never meet Jimmy, only his underlings. -c
If Ben Affleck is sexy, then the terrorists have won. --Sheerly Avni
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Am I the only one who (despite seeing the irony of the resulting situation) thinks that what was said was way out of line? I honestly cannot believe even an idiot could think of publishing such a thing. :omg: It is being earmarked over here with the resolution "why can't they all just settle down and have a beer together" - that is just as f**king bad. Deliberate ignorance of other peoples values causes these horrible incidents to happen all over the world, with people of all races, ages and religions; it's just more fashionable to broadcast ones involving Muslims at the moment. Christian Graus wrote: What is WRONG with people ? Minor correction. :((
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David Wulff wrote: Deliberate ignorance of other peoples values causes these horrible incidents to happen all over the world, with people of all races, ages and religions; it's just more fashionable to broadcast ones involving Muslims at the moment. For starters if they're so f*cking ignorant that they'll murder becuase of "A STATEMENT IN THE NEWSPAPER" it is beyond comprehension but should be ignored on the hope they'll turn on each other. In terms of equality, Christians have now turned on the Muslims, matching them body for body. Mike
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I agree with you. Moverover this young population lacks probably an efficient educational system, if there's even one. It's better for the petroleum multinational corporation which really rules Nigeria to have uneducated and superstitious people, they're easier to control.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
KaЯl wrote: Moverover this young population lacks probably an efficient educational system, if there's even one. My goodness, it takes education to realize killing in the name of God is wrong? By all means, let's educate these fools. Mike
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Christian Graus wrote: And why are these people so STUPID that their response is to kill EACH OTHER ? I don't know much about Nigeria. One bit in that article caught my eye though - "The north in effect controlled Nigeria after independence until the end of military rule in 1999." A quick lookup confirms this, also noting the different ethnic groups that once divided the northern portion from the rest of Nigeria. My suspicion is this has not much to do with religion at all, but is instead another situation where a large, young population is feeling disenfranchised and powerless in their own country, and taking it out on whoever and whatever (Christians, churches, travelers...) they can find. Add to that the standard senseless violence you get with any mob, and you've a nice recipe for chaos. Shog9 ------
I hope I die naive - Paul Watson, Partners and their dreams
Shog9 wrote: My suspicion is this has not much to do with religion at all They are rioting because a newspaper was trying to gloss over the apparent, inherent evil to be found in beauty by stating that the prophet Muhammad would have chosen a wife among the contestants. And we think it isn't related to religion. Current count, 105 dead after Christians retaliate. Mike
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Christian Graus wrote: dunno if Mohommed preached celibacy, or was celibate, but assuming he was not, I don't see it as being offensive. Muhammed had about 12 wives, one of which was approximately 9 years old. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Jason Gerard wrote: Christian Graus wrote: dunno if Mohommed preached celibacy, or was celibate, but assuming he was not, I don't see it as being offensive. Muhammed had about 12 wives, one of which was approximately 9 years old. And if I have it correctly, one was a daughter-in-law until he decided there was a better arrangement. Mike
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: BTW, I don't see anything wrong in protesting such contests in peaceful manner, when thousands are doing the same here in the USA right now against Victoria's Secret show. Which is dumber than h*ll since you can see more provocative material by going to the beach. Difference is, Victoria's Secret models get paid and the job is viewed as one of the best in the modelling industry according to one that I saw/heard being interviewed. Mike
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Jason Gerard wrote: Christian Graus wrote: dunno if Mohommed preached celibacy, or was celibate, but assuming he was not, I don't see it as being offensive. Muhammed had about 12 wives, one of which was approximately 9 years old. And if I have it correctly, one was a daughter-in-law until he decided there was a better arrangement. Mike
Sounds a bit like Brigham Young, I belive he recieved similarly convienient messages from God. Don't think that mohammed found any golden tablets buried on his farm though, and his old testament impression was a little more convincing. People believe the funniest things ;P Try http://www.geocities.com/freethoughtmecca[^] for an apostates opinion of (mainly) Islamic theology. Ryan. Computers allow you to make more mistakes than any other invention, with the possible exception of handguns and tequila.
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Sounds a bit like Brigham Young, I belive he recieved similarly convienient messages from God. Don't think that mohammed found any golden tablets buried on his farm though, and his old testament impression was a little more convincing. People believe the funniest things ;P Try http://www.geocities.com/freethoughtmecca[^] for an apostates opinion of (mainly) Islamic theology. Ryan. Computers allow you to make more mistakes than any other invention, with the possible exception of handguns and tequila.
Ryan S Roberts wrote: Sounds a bit like Brigham Young, I belive he recieved similarly convienient messages from God. I started to say, "just one more idiot" but Young wasn't any more an idiot than was (my opinion) any other religious founder. Most, I believe created, a religion to serve their own needs and found other willing to follow. And thanks for the link, I like to collect these. My own sources for knowledge are Islamic Invasion, by Robert Morley (last published, 1992) Why I am not a Muslim, by Ibn Warraq Unveilling Islam, by the Caner brothers.
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Christian Graus wrote: dunno if Mohommed preached celibacy, or was celibate, but assuming he was not, I don't see it as being offensive. Muhammed had about 12 wives, one of which was approximately 9 years old. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: It has been discovered that an LSD strain naturally occurs in a rye fungus when damp conditions prevail. I believe this is the original source of LSD. It's produced by a mold/fungus on rye called ergot. -Sean ---- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein. I saw a woman wearing a sweatshirt with 'Guess' on it. I said, "Thyroid problem?" -- Emo Philips. Love is two minutes, 52 seconds of squishing noises. -- Johnny Rotten.
Sean Cundiff wrote: I believe this is the original source of LSD. You are correct. http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/lsd/lsd1_text.htm[^] I had remembered a Swiss chemist but at a much later time. "I will find a new sig someday."
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Sounds a bit like Brigham Young, I belive he recieved similarly convienient messages from God. Don't think that mohammed found any golden tablets buried on his farm though, and his old testament impression was a little more convincing. People believe the funniest things ;P Try http://www.geocities.com/freethoughtmecca[^] for an apostates opinion of (mainly) Islamic theology. Ryan. Computers allow you to make more mistakes than any other invention, with the possible exception of handguns and tequila.
Actually, it was Joseph Smith(Mormonism's founder) that origially advocted polygamy. He also said the moon was inhabited by 6 foot quakers that lived a 1,000 years. Go figure. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: However I don't think it's fair to attribute the cause of these incidents to the entire religion of Islam, as your original post tried to suggest. No, you're just sensitive to the possibility. My post tried to restate what Paul Watson said a while ago. While no-one sane would suggest that all Muslims are like this because a few are, the fact is that when people die in the name of religion, it is USUALLY Islam that is the religion, regardless of the degree to which it is a peversion of what most Muslims believe. I agree with him that it's worth asking ourselves what it is about Islam that causes it to so often be (possibly mis)interpreted as a call to kill people. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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"An explosion ripped through the cargo wing of Lagos airport yesterday, killing at least one person and trapping others inside, witnesses said. Lagos is Nigeria's main airport and the busiest in West Africa. " My dad's in Nigeria right now on contract; he gets back Saturday. I hope that nothing crazy happens from now until then. :~ :~ (closest emoticon to :worried: ) That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
Wow - I really hope he's OK. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Christian Graus wrote: dunno if Mohommed preached celibacy, or was celibate, but assuming he was not, I don't see it as being offensive. Muhammed had about 12 wives, one of which was approximately 9 years old. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Great. I know - let's all follow this guy. Sounds like a hoot. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: Does these facts mean that any of them preached celibacy, or were celibate? I don't understand your point ? The point was to start with that if Mohomed preached celibacy, then it would be VERY offensive to suggest he'd marry a contestant in Miss World. If, as appears to be the case, he was a paedophile, then perhaps the insult is just that the contestants were a little to old for him. Is C.E. the same as A.D. ? Paul said to only have one wife about 30 A.D. How can Islam be built on Christianity if it's founder ignored the teachings of Christianities most prolific writer ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: Abraham had three wives I thought Sarah was his only wife. He did have a son with her Egyptian handmaiden though.
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