baptize my offspring?
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
I'm not a believer, but my general feeling on this are: why start a kid on something before he/she is in any way ready to or capable of making his/her own decision? It's like those parents who bring the kid up as Jehovah's Witnesses and refuse to allow them blood transfusions. Is it the kids' right to die when a simple procedure would save him/her before they get a chance to make a choice for themselves? If you are in any doubt, then I wouldn't do it.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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I'm not a believer, but my general feeling on this are: why start a kid on something before he/she is in any way ready to or capable of making his/her own decision? It's like those parents who bring the kid up as Jehovah's Witnesses and refuse to allow them blood transfusions. Is it the kids' right to die when a simple procedure would save him/her before they get a chance to make a choice for themselves? If you are in any doubt, then I wouldn't do it.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
I'm with Griff on this one. I do want to know what a pedofile is though. Is that a document on their computer where they keep the names of all the little boys and girls? :laugh:
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
V. wrote:
Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world.
Huh? Are they practicing Catholics? I thought baptism ensured that the child was cleansed of the stain of original sin, and thus would not be consigned to Hell (Limbo, if an infant, possibly). However, original sin and all that is merely a product of the snake oil merchants selling the Christianity brand. Keeps the customers locked in. But, if you believe in it, you must have your child baptized, if not - hold a secular naming party.
2011 - Our best hope is that things will be frightening and dangerous rather than desperate and horrific. Jesse's Café Américain
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
V. wrote:
So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
Since god doesnt exists andx every church is a fake con its totally irrelevant whether you do or do not baptise him. Persohnaly, I am not baptised, bvut got married in a lovelly old church (13th century). Hypocritical? Only if I were to take the church seriously either positively or nrgatively. For me the old church is just a nice old building and getting married in it just a nice old tradition. Like drinking ale in a 13th century pub with a big old fire and wooden beams. So what the hell, if it makes the oldies happy, do it. It doesnt atter a damn any other way.
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V. wrote:
Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world.
Huh? Are they practicing Catholics? I thought baptism ensured that the child was cleansed of the stain of original sin, and thus would not be consigned to Hell (Limbo, if an infant, possibly). However, original sin and all that is merely a product of the snake oil merchants selling the Christianity brand. Keeps the customers locked in. But, if you believe in it, you must have your child baptized, if not - hold a secular naming party.
2011 - Our best hope is that things will be frightening and dangerous rather than desperate and horrific. Jesse's Café Américain
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Original sin was introduced in the second century by the Bishop of Lyon. I.e. it's an add-on here[^].
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Thanks. I was going from memory. I do agree, though, that its source is the Father of All Lies (not Satan, the other one: Paul the Apostle).
2011 - Our best hope is that things will be frightening and dangerous rather than desperate and horrific. Jesse's Café Américain
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
As a Hindu please forgive my ignorance about christianity. If a child is "baptized", is he/she bound to christianity?.They can anyway chose not to follow it right?
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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As a Hindu please forgive my ignorance about christianity. If a child is "baptized", is he/she bound to christianity?.They can anyway chose not to follow it right?
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
super wrote:
As a Hindu please forgive my ignorance about christianity
Lol, don't worry, we Christians don't know anything about Hindu either, no offence. My opinion is that people should believe anything they're comfortable in (as long as it is accepted by society, so no human sacrifices on the altar if you tend to believe in Quetzalcoatl or something like that) The idea is that indeed you are bound to Christianity, however in practice, this is not really enforced. If you want to marry in front of the church eg, you do need to be baptized first. In my case, I'm baptized in theory, but I'm not following. :-D
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
V. wrote:
So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
Is this going to create any problems between your family and the in-laws? Even if it is, your parents have to respect your wishes to raise your children the way you want to. They don't get a vote in it unless you give it to them the same goes for us here. It sounds like you've already made your decision, just go with it. ;P Christianity is a bit of a con. You have people saying they believe in turning the other cheek or some other selective bit and then break it with their political or economic believes. The only people who actually follow it don't have much in this world and what they do have they spend the energies making those who have even less fortunate lives better.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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V. wrote:
So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
Is this going to create any problems between your family and the in-laws? Even if it is, your parents have to respect your wishes to raise your children the way you want to. They don't get a vote in it unless you give it to them the same goes for us here. It sounds like you've already made your decision, just go with it. ;P Christianity is a bit of a con. You have people saying they believe in turning the other cheek or some other selective bit and then break it with their political or economic believes. The only people who actually follow it don't have much in this world and what they do have they spend the energies making those who have even less fortunate lives better.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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wolfbinary wrote:
You have people saying they believe in turning the other cheek
When you slap them in the face or kick them in the bum? :laugh:
V.
Something like that. Usually I find, at least in the US, that the law and order folks are usually of the highest professed religious level.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
V. wrote:
n Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile
Really? You have any citations?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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n Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile
Really? You have any citations?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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A 140 page document of the commision Adriaensen. :-). If you've followed the (belgian) media last year, there was a huge commotion about cover ups in the church. Investigation still pending.
V.
Chased it down on Google - According to what the NY Times reported, the great majority of the abuse ended 30 years ago - you figure they're covering up stuff that happened more recently?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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Chased it down on Google - According to what the NY Times reported, the great majority of the abuse ended 30 years ago - you figure they're covering up stuff that happened more recently?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
That's the point, most events did indeed happen long ago, but the commision was organized not long ago, because people finally brought up the courage to testify or file a formal complaint. The cover up of the stories themselves is from the eighties until even today (there is an investigation ongoing called 'operation Kelk' if I'm not mistaken). Anyway, this brings us too far from the subject.
V.
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I was wondering. Me and my wife decided not to baptize our son as we just don't see the point. In Belgium almost every priest is marked a pedofile and my own experience with most of those guys were not really positive either (although they didn't touch me ;-)). In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so. My parents are trying to push me to baptize him and my sister also baptized her son. Some seem to think it 'finishes' the welcome of the child into this world. I respect their thoughts and feelings, but do not agree with them. So why should I or shouldn't I subscribe my kid to the Christian posse of believers?
V.
V. wrote:
In addition, if he wants to become a Christian, he can later still decide to do so.
Cudos to you for being rational. It should not be up to a parent to decide what a child believes.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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I'm with Griff on this one. I do want to know what a pedofile is though. Is that a document on their computer where they keep the names of all the little boys and girls? :laugh:
Manfred R. Bihy wrote:
Is that a document on their computer where they keep the names of all the little boys and girls?
Yes, but it may or may not include pictures... X|
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Original sin was introduced in the second century by the Bishop of Lyon. I.e. it's an add-on here[^].
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
Cool... I'll have to look that up as I don't accept anything without verification, but if it is the case, I'll have learned something new today... :) Thanks for that.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
