Re: Is science just a new religion ?
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No, Science is not a religion. Science requires Questions and Disbelief and Intelligence, not unwavering faith and willingness to suspend common sense. Science changes as we learn more, religion falls into unchanging dogma. In science if you disagree you are asked to provide proof, in religion you are shunned or killed. Science requires proof and evidence, religion requires fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Science requires proof and evidence, religion requires fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.
Anything can become dogmatic if people don't think. That's the tipping point to anything becoming a religion or a faith. I do agree with you though on your overall point. Science when practiced as such isn't a religion.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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How science do we actually meet in everyday life.. technology is becoming closer to magic than science. For the man on the street there is little or no difference. I Arthur C Clarke again any sufficiently advanced form of tech is indistinguishable from magic ... I mean even us programmers.. we are so isolated from the hardware and the networks that there is little we usually understand it goes like : that's the DB guy's job or that's the SAN guy call the storage group or now that's the Cloud. The logic in religion held strong for 2000 years thinking "You're bad God gives gives you disabled children, sickness or if you're gay you die of some weird disease". I do not agree fully with the blog here: http://blog.aimonger.com/ but I think he makes a point. nice other article here too http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/10/11/the-beauty-of-beauty/ But they are too long. Wish I had time to read longer articles, they just are not so shallow but take time , lucky this is the lounge .. a break is a break after all !!
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Or when the data does not allow you to reach the conclusions your benefactor wanted you to reach, so you edit the data. If someone catches you, then you scream "infidel" rather than debate the matter on it's merits. ;P Is pure science a religion? No. As practiced now in most countries? Definitely borderline.
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I thought I recognized the topic and poster name and was just going off to search. Thanks for saving me the effort.
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How science do we actually meet in everyday life.. technology is becoming closer to magic than science. For the man on the street there is little or no difference. I Arthur C Clarke again any sufficiently advanced form of tech is indistinguishable from magic ... I mean even us programmers.. we are so isolated from the hardware and the networks that there is little we usually understand it goes like : that's the DB guy's job or that's the SAN guy call the storage group or now that's the Cloud. The logic in religion held strong for 2000 years thinking "You're bad God gives gives you disabled children, sickness or if you're gay you die of some weird disease". I do not agree fully with the blog here: http://blog.aimonger.com/ but I think he makes a point. nice other article here too http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/10/11/the-beauty-of-beauty/ But they are too long. Wish I had time to read longer articles, they just are not so shallow but take time , lucky this is the lounge .. a break is a break after all !!
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]modified on Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:11 AM
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Science and religion are both a search for truth. Unfortunately, many people reject whichever of the two they cannot comprehend... they should go hand in hand.
They both boil down to cause and effect. Science measures effects and tries to determine their causes. Religion picks a cause and tries to determine how it's connected to the effects.
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Science and religion are both a search for truth. Unfortunately, many people reject whichever of the two they cannot comprehend... they should go hand in hand.
I don't agree with that, but I don't want to get into a religious debate about it. ;)
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Science and religion are both a search for truth. Unfortunately, many people reject whichever of the two they cannot comprehend... they should go hand in hand.
Pualee wrote:
many people reject whichever of the two they cannot comprehend
People don't just reject religion because they don't comprehend it, often they reject it because they do.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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How science do we actually meet in everyday life.. technology is becoming closer to magic than science. For the man on the street there is little or no difference. I Arthur C Clarke again any sufficiently advanced form of tech is indistinguishable from magic ... I mean even us programmers.. we are so isolated from the hardware and the networks that there is little we usually understand it goes like : that's the DB guy's job or that's the SAN guy call the storage group or now that's the Cloud. The logic in religion held strong for 2000 years thinking "You're bad God gives gives you disabled children, sickness or if you're gay you die of some weird disease". I do not agree fully with the blog here: http://blog.aimonger.com/ but I think he makes a point. nice other article here too http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/10/11/the-beauty-of-beauty/ But they are too long. Wish I had time to read longer articles, they just are not so shallow but take time , lucky this is the lounge .. a break is a break after all !!
no. which is what we told you last time. stop asking.
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Pualee wrote:
many people reject whichever of the two they cannot comprehend
People don't just reject religion because they don't comprehend it, often they reject it because they do.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Keith Barrow wrote:
often they reject it because they do
I can give you a +5 for that. Some people will never change their ways... This bit is particularly difficult, for anybody: Matthew 5 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
modified on Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:24 AM
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How science do we actually meet in everyday life.. technology is becoming closer to magic than science. For the man on the street there is little or no difference. I Arthur C Clarke again any sufficiently advanced form of tech is indistinguishable from magic ... I mean even us programmers.. we are so isolated from the hardware and the networks that there is little we usually understand it goes like : that's the DB guy's job or that's the SAN guy call the storage group or now that's the Cloud. The logic in religion held strong for 2000 years thinking "You're bad God gives gives you disabled children, sickness or if you're gay you die of some weird disease". I do not agree fully with the blog here: http://blog.aimonger.com/ but I think he makes a point. nice other article here too http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/10/11/the-beauty-of-beauty/ But they are too long. Wish I had time to read longer articles, they just are not so shallow but take time , lucky this is the lounge .. a break is a break after all !!
KePilo wrote:
I mean even us programmers.. we are so isolated from the hardware and the networks that there is little we usually understand it goes like : that's the DB guy's job or that's the SAN guy call the storage group or now that's the Cloud.
Perhaps you need to study some more or meet some real techies?
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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and some form of engineering. Good call: knowledge with wisdom trumps all.
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Pualee wrote:
many people reject whichever of the two they cannot comprehend
People don't just reject religion because they don't comprehend it, often they reject it because they do.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Gets my 5.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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KePilo wrote:
I mean even us programmers.. we are so isolated from the hardware and the networks that there is little we usually understand it goes like : that's the DB guy's job or that's the SAN guy call the storage group or now that's the Cloud.
Perhaps you need to study some more or meet some real techies?
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Science and religion are both a search for truth. Unfortunately, many people reject whichever of the two they cannot comprehend... they should go hand in hand.
Religion is most definitely not a search for truth; it's a claim of dogma. Just like what you are doing.
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How science do we actually meet in everyday life.. technology is becoming closer to magic than science. For the man on the street there is little or no difference. I Arthur C Clarke again any sufficiently advanced form of tech is indistinguishable from magic ... I mean even us programmers.. we are so isolated from the hardware and the networks that there is little we usually understand it goes like : that's the DB guy's job or that's the SAN guy call the storage group or now that's the Cloud. The logic in religion held strong for 2000 years thinking "You're bad God gives gives you disabled children, sickness or if you're gay you die of some weird disease". I do not agree fully with the blog here: http://blog.aimonger.com/ but I think he makes a point. nice other article here too http://blog.aimonger.com/2010/10/11/the-beauty-of-beauty/ But they are too long. Wish I had time to read longer articles, they just are not so shallow but take time , lucky this is the lounge .. a break is a break after all !!
Technology isn't close to magic at all; it uses science. That you choose to be ignorant about that science doesn't make it magic.
KePilo wrote:
we are so isolated from the hardware and the networks that there is little we usually understand it goes like
Don't sit back and claim everyone else is ignorant because you choose to be. If you want to understand how networks work, you can easily learn. Anyone can. THAT is the difference from science and religion. That is the difference between technology and "magic". Anyone who claims that "science is the new religion" or "technology is magic" is being deliberately and purposefully ignorant.
