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  • D Dalek Dave

    Time to buy some nice seafront property in Nevada then!

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    Gregory Gadow
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    Heh, not quite. If the Central Valley were to flood again, the place to be would be the west side of the Sierra Nevada mountain range, which is still inside California. I used to live near Sequoia National Park, which would make a lovely seaside resort.

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    • G Gregory Gadow

      And in other weather-related stories, this one is from the Los Angeles Times via the Seattle Times:

      California's "big one" may not be an earthquake at all, but a devastating megastorm that would inundate the Central Valley, trigger widespread landslides and cause flood damage to one in four homes in the state. The prospect of such a storm was raised last week by scientists predicting the consequences of an "atmospheric river" of moisture from the tropical Pacific hitting California with up to 10 feet of rain and hurricane-force winds over several weeks. A team of more than 100 scientists, engineers and emergency planners used flood mapping, climate-change projections and geologic flood history to simulate a hypothetical storm so intense that it occurs only every 100 to 200 years. They presented their findings last week in Sacramento during a conference sponsored by the U.S. Geological Survey, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the California Emergency Management Agency. The study isn't meant to be a forecast that such a fierce storm is imminent, but rather a push by scientists to publicize the risk of a catastrophe that they say is unfamiliar to most Californians. In the scenario — powerful back-to-back storms — floods could force about 1.5 million people to evacuate and cause more than $300 billion in property damage. The economic loss would be four times that of a very large earthquake.

      Full article at California's 'big one' might be a megastorm, not an earthquake[^] For those unfamiliar with California geography, the Central Valley (map[^]) was once a vast inland sea; before the state's current system of aquaducts, it regularly returned to being a shallow sea during rainy years. The approximately 22,500 square miles of the Valley is one of the world's most agriculturally active places in the world: it is 1% of arable land in the US but produces 8% of our agricultural output, worth an estimated 17 BILLION USD every year. A massive flood there, with resulting crop damage, would cause problems on a global scale.

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      Mark_Wallace
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      So hollywood would sink into the sea? Is there a petition I can sign?

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      • M Mark_Wallace

        So hollywood would sink into the sea? Is there a petition I can sign?

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        Dalek Dave
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        "Go stick your head in a pig!"[^]

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        • D Dalek Dave

          "Go stick your head in a pig!"[^]

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          Mark_Wallace
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          Dalek Dave wrote:

          "Go stick your head in a pig!"

          Is that "OOD" in the local language?

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          • G Gregory Gadow

            And in other weather-related stories, this one is from the Los Angeles Times via the Seattle Times:

            California's "big one" may not be an earthquake at all, but a devastating megastorm that would inundate the Central Valley, trigger widespread landslides and cause flood damage to one in four homes in the state. The prospect of such a storm was raised last week by scientists predicting the consequences of an "atmospheric river" of moisture from the tropical Pacific hitting California with up to 10 feet of rain and hurricane-force winds over several weeks. A team of more than 100 scientists, engineers and emergency planners used flood mapping, climate-change projections and geologic flood history to simulate a hypothetical storm so intense that it occurs only every 100 to 200 years. They presented their findings last week in Sacramento during a conference sponsored by the U.S. Geological Survey, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the California Emergency Management Agency. The study isn't meant to be a forecast that such a fierce storm is imminent, but rather a push by scientists to publicize the risk of a catastrophe that they say is unfamiliar to most Californians. In the scenario — powerful back-to-back storms — floods could force about 1.5 million people to evacuate and cause more than $300 billion in property damage. The economic loss would be four times that of a very large earthquake.

            Full article at California's 'big one' might be a megastorm, not an earthquake[^] For those unfamiliar with California geography, the Central Valley (map[^]) was once a vast inland sea; before the state's current system of aquaducts, it regularly returned to being a shallow sea during rainy years. The approximately 22,500 square miles of the Valley is one of the world's most agriculturally active places in the world: it is 1% of arable land in the US but produces 8% of our agricultural output, worth an estimated 17 BILLION USD every year. A massive flood there, with resulting crop damage, would cause problems on a global scale.

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            NormDroid
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            And they say there's no global warming :-\ Time to get the Population Control methods before we experience a Shortage of Oil Shortage of Water Shortage of Food

            Software Kinetics - The home of good software

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            • G Gregory Gadow

              And in other weather-related stories, this one is from the Los Angeles Times via the Seattle Times:

              California's "big one" may not be an earthquake at all, but a devastating megastorm that would inundate the Central Valley, trigger widespread landslides and cause flood damage to one in four homes in the state. The prospect of such a storm was raised last week by scientists predicting the consequences of an "atmospheric river" of moisture from the tropical Pacific hitting California with up to 10 feet of rain and hurricane-force winds over several weeks. A team of more than 100 scientists, engineers and emergency planners used flood mapping, climate-change projections and geologic flood history to simulate a hypothetical storm so intense that it occurs only every 100 to 200 years. They presented their findings last week in Sacramento during a conference sponsored by the U.S. Geological Survey, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the California Emergency Management Agency. The study isn't meant to be a forecast that such a fierce storm is imminent, but rather a push by scientists to publicize the risk of a catastrophe that they say is unfamiliar to most Californians. In the scenario — powerful back-to-back storms — floods could force about 1.5 million people to evacuate and cause more than $300 billion in property damage. The economic loss would be four times that of a very large earthquake.

              Full article at California's 'big one' might be a megastorm, not an earthquake[^] For those unfamiliar with California geography, the Central Valley (map[^]) was once a vast inland sea; before the state's current system of aquaducts, it regularly returned to being a shallow sea during rainy years. The approximately 22,500 square miles of the Valley is one of the world's most agriculturally active places in the world: it is 1% of arable land in the US but produces 8% of our agricultural output, worth an estimated 17 BILLION USD every year. A massive flood there, with resulting crop damage, would cause problems on a global scale.

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              Christian Graus
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              So, this is the back story for the next huge 'environmental disaster' movie then ? I'm sure it's possible, but I think people spend too much time and money trying to prove theories that, if true, we can't do much about.

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                And they say there's no global warming :-\ Time to get the Population Control methods before we experience a Shortage of Oil Shortage of Water Shortage of Food

                Software Kinetics - The home of good software

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                Christian Graus
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                The basic theory of population is that it continues to grow so long as resources exist. That's why we faced the same issues on the eve of the Green Revolution, and yet we continued to grow once that had occured. Most people expect the population to stabalise in the coming years, due to the fact that the extra resources just don't exist. Of course, the people in the US who are 'breeding for Jesus' and the people in the third world who breed like crazy and hope one survives, are not helping.

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                  There's been a lot of talk about that lately would make Katrina look like a puff of wind.

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                  Christian Graus
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                  It's worth remembering that the role of the US media is to keep finding new things for Americans to be scared about. Killer bees, anyone ?

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                    The basic theory of population is that it continues to grow so long as resources exist. That's why we faced the same issues on the eve of the Green Revolution, and yet we continued to grow once that had occured. Most people expect the population to stabalise in the coming years, due to the fact that the extra resources just don't exist. Of course, the people in the US who are 'breeding for Jesus' and the people in the third world who breed like crazy and hope one survives, are not helping.

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                    Dalek Dave
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                    Giving Africans Medicine to help their children survive, but not taking into account the fact that they have not the resources to feed them is irresponsible. There are today twice as many Ethiopians as there was 25 years ago when Live Aid tried to help. So, how many will die when the drought comes and the harvest is lost? Who will feed the Sudanese who are growing their population like crazy so as to outbreed each of the other factions? What will India do when the water runs out, as it is already? Maybe Egypt will declare war on anyone who dares to take the water from the Nile? The problem isn't climate, it is climax. Too many people breeding too many times without the resources or sense to stop doing it.

                    ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      It's worth remembering that the role of the US media is to keep finding new things for Americans to be scared about. Killer bees, anyone ?

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                      Pualee
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                      Bovine Avian Swine Flu :~:confused::~

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                      • C Christian Graus

                        It's worth remembering that the role of the US media is to keep finding new things for Americans to be scared about. Killer bees, anyone ?

                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                        Dalek Dave
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                        I had some of them Bees Knees the other day, but they weren't as good as I expected them to be.

                        ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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                        • D Dalek Dave

                          Giving Africans Medicine to help their children survive, but not taking into account the fact that they have not the resources to feed them is irresponsible. There are today twice as many Ethiopians as there was 25 years ago when Live Aid tried to help. So, how many will die when the drought comes and the harvest is lost? Who will feed the Sudanese who are growing their population like crazy so as to outbreed each of the other factions? What will India do when the water runs out, as it is already? Maybe Egypt will declare war on anyone who dares to take the water from the Nile? The problem isn't climate, it is climax. Too many people breeding too many times without the resources or sense to stop doing it.

                          ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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                          Christian Graus
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                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                          The problem isn't climate, it is climax. Too many people breeding too many times without the resources or sense to stop doing it.

                          That is definitely a big part of the issue. For example, more and more homes are damaged in storms. That has more to do with more and more people wanting to live on a beachfront, and the natural defences of the land being removed to get more salable land, than with climate change. Another big issue, is that US aid tends to require no availability of birth control.

                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                          • C Christian Graus

                            It's worth remembering that the role of the US media is to keep finding new things for Americans to be scared about. Killer bees, anyone ?

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            It's worth remembering that the role of the US media is to keep finding new things for Americans to be scared about. Killer bees, anyone ?

                            Ain't that the truth! I'd be all for sacrificing L.A. though if given the vote.

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                            • D Dalek Dave

                              I had some of them Bees Knees the other day, but they weren't as good as I expected them to be.

                              ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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                              Mike Hankey
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                              Were they as good as chicken lips?

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                              • C Christian Graus

                                So, this is the back story for the next huge 'environmental disaster' movie then ? I'm sure it's possible, but I think people spend too much time and money trying to prove theories that, if true, we can't do much about.

                                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                Chris C B
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                                It's already been done - 'The day after tomorrrow'.[^]

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                                  It's already been done - 'The day after tomorrrow'.[^]

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                                  Christian Graus
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                                  No, that was about a new ice age. This would be flooding, big landslides, etc.

                                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                    Bovine Avian Swine Flu :~:confused::~

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                                    Pualee wrote:

                                    Bovine Avian Swine Flu

                                    Flying Cows ? ! ? OMG!!!!!

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                                    • D Dalek Dave

                                      Giving Africans Medicine to help their children survive, but not taking into account the fact that they have not the resources to feed them is irresponsible. There are today twice as many Ethiopians as there was 25 years ago when Live Aid tried to help. So, how many will die when the drought comes and the harvest is lost? Who will feed the Sudanese who are growing their population like crazy so as to outbreed each of the other factions? What will India do when the water runs out, as it is already? Maybe Egypt will declare war on anyone who dares to take the water from the Nile? The problem isn't climate, it is climax. Too many people breeding too many times without the resources or sense to stop doing it.

                                      ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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                                      Well said. :thumbsup:

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                                      • G Gregory Gadow

                                        And in other weather-related stories, this one is from the Los Angeles Times via the Seattle Times:

                                        California's "big one" may not be an earthquake at all, but a devastating megastorm that would inundate the Central Valley, trigger widespread landslides and cause flood damage to one in four homes in the state. The prospect of such a storm was raised last week by scientists predicting the consequences of an "atmospheric river" of moisture from the tropical Pacific hitting California with up to 10 feet of rain and hurricane-force winds over several weeks. A team of more than 100 scientists, engineers and emergency planners used flood mapping, climate-change projections and geologic flood history to simulate a hypothetical storm so intense that it occurs only every 100 to 200 years. They presented their findings last week in Sacramento during a conference sponsored by the U.S. Geological Survey, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the California Emergency Management Agency. The study isn't meant to be a forecast that such a fierce storm is imminent, but rather a push by scientists to publicize the risk of a catastrophe that they say is unfamiliar to most Californians. In the scenario — powerful back-to-back storms — floods could force about 1.5 million people to evacuate and cause more than $300 billion in property damage. The economic loss would be four times that of a very large earthquake.

                                        Full article at California's 'big one' might be a megastorm, not an earthquake[^] For those unfamiliar with California geography, the Central Valley (map[^]) was once a vast inland sea; before the state's current system of aquaducts, it regularly returned to being a shallow sea during rainy years. The approximately 22,500 square miles of the Valley is one of the world's most agriculturally active places in the world: it is 1% of arable land in the US but produces 8% of our agricultural output, worth an estimated 17 BILLION USD every year. A massive flood there, with resulting crop damage, would cause problems on a global scale.

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                                        Joe Woodbury
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                                        Ah, the joys of "may" and "might". With those two words, you can write any headline you want. It's just fill in the blank: "California's 'big one' might be a[n] ________________, not an earthquake" as in: "California's 'big one' might be an attack by flying saucers, not an earthquake"

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                                        • D Dalek Dave

                                          Giving Africans Medicine to help their children survive, but not taking into account the fact that they have not the resources to feed them is irresponsible. There are today twice as many Ethiopians as there was 25 years ago when Live Aid tried to help. So, how many will die when the drought comes and the harvest is lost? Who will feed the Sudanese who are growing their population like crazy so as to outbreed each of the other factions? What will India do when the water runs out, as it is already? Maybe Egypt will declare war on anyone who dares to take the water from the Nile? The problem isn't climate, it is climax. Too many people breeding too many times without the resources or sense to stop doing it.

                                          ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]

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                                          NormDroid
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                                          5! Dave well said.

                                          Software Kinetics - The home of good software

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